Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (2024)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (1) VtVolk (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:16)

"While our long term business model will evolve, a significant portion of our content will remain free."

Welp, it's been a good run. Thanks for everything Pinkbike. I fear change and can only assume this is the end as we know it.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (2) mnorris122 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:18)

Press F

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (3) ybsurf FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:20)

It is the beginning of the end

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (4) ThePlt (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:21)

Bye bye Pinkbike!! It was a good run.Thanks for the good times. Let the watering down begin.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (5) adrennan FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:21)

quick! eveyone bail to vital!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (6) brianpark FL Editor (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:23) (Below Threshold)

A lot of us grew up with Pinkbike and it's a weirdly-large part of who I am, so I get being nervous about this change. I do think it's good to be skeptical as well, but I hope the community will come along for the ride and see how it goes. I firmly believe that this was the best possible way to take Pinkbike to the next level, and we're planning on working hard to prove it to you.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (7) kcy4130 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:26)

@adrennan: Vital is the new pinkbike! See you all there!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (8) jaame (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:27)

I go to Enduro MTB for the reviews, mtbr when I want to learn how to fix something, and I come here for the comments. Please do not put the comments behind a paywall. It’s 30% of my daily entertainment.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (9) adrennan FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:29)

@brianpark: I will at least be interested to see for sure how it goes. but if Outside goes on a monetizing spree and the basic content people come here for starts costing money, don't expect people to stay. One of the great values of pinkbike is the comment section and that requires a critical mass of people to make it. look at comments on all the other sites, maybe a few comments on most articles? once in a while they will have one that really engages the people. pinkbike articles are almost always over 100 comments. if that dies, pinkbike as we know it dies.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (10) jaame (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:30)

@adrennan: we have had 1000 comments on the Gwin to Specialized article IIRC. I once saw seven on Dirt.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (11) brianpark FL Editor (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:31)

@adrennan: agreed! The comments section is a huge part of PB and it's not going anywhere.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (12) jaame (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:31)

Specialized and Gwin part ways. 1000+ comments. No wonder they want to monetise the site.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (13) jamessmurthwaite (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:33) (Below Threshold)

@jaame: And they were all "bring back print" if I remember correctly!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (14) AverageAdventurer (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:34)

@brianpark: from a purely non content related aspect so it may not fall in your wheelhouse. Keep the buysell free!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (15) Adamrideshisbike (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:40)

@brianpark: It will just be moderated for your safety.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (16) mammal (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:41)

Well, as a dedicated PB user for 20 years, this is truly disappointing. I can live with ad revenue, but not subscriptions. More NSMB in my future, I guess.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (17) kylar FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:41)

@brianpark: See, but maybe you’re the only one wanting to go to “the next level.” What does that even mean? This constant need to expand and grow maybe isn’t always necessary. Maybe just sit back and admire the cool thing you’ve built and go “yeah, let’s keep doing what we’re doing!”

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (18) wolftwenty1 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:43)

I want to believe Brian. I really do. I do t blame the founders…everyone wants and needs the payout. But this is the beginning of the end. It’s been good.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (19) brianpark FL Editor (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:46) (Below Threshold)

@kylar: agreed that growth isn't the only good in life. But honestly? I want to go racing. I was bitterly disappointed we couldn't get our plans to help privateers with a race team off the ground this year, and I'm hopeful that with Outside's support big projects like that will get easier to make happen.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (20) JDFF FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:48)

@brianpark: but why did PB have to go to the "next level"?

Very seldom is this good in the long run.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (21) yoimaninja (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:54)

@AverageAdventurer: Buysell would be the biggest thing I'm concerned about. So many of my bikes have been bought and made from the Pinkbike buysell section.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (22) kinematix (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:55)

Is PunkBike.com for sale?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (23) pdxkid (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:58)

@brianpark: why does everything always have to go to "the next level"?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (24) Chief2slo FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:58)

I avoid going to Beta because of the paywall, don’t bring the same infuriating BS here. I already pay for Trailforks and that’s about my limit.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (25) krka73 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:00)

@brianpark: sorry dude, the next level is DEAD.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (26) wilsonians (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:00)

Yeah, change will happen. But lets give the fine folks at PB the benefit of the doubt until we see otherwise. So far they have given us everything we wanted and more. They constantly add stuff based on fan input like Saturday Sends and are actively involved in the comments about video vs. pics for bike checks etc. If they sell out and do subscriptions and limit sh*tloads of access then we can bash them to hell and back but until that happens, they are our people! I will hope (possibly in vain) that they will be allowed to continue their excellent coverage and access and that the influx of funding will help to bring even more to the table. But I will join you all as the one of the first to bitch if the access is in fact greatly limited by untenable subscription models.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (27) adrennan FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:02)

@wilsonians: bu...but i already got my pitchfork out. now what do I do with it if I can't riot today.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (28) DGWW (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:03)

@brianpark: "I firmly believe that this was the best possible way to take Pinkbike to the next level" what exactly does this mean ? What level wasn't Pinkbike getting to in its current form ? I can only see this change as a negative for us users. I suppose the founders want to retire and we can't fault them for wanting to cash out...but I have a hard time spinning this into a positive.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (29) jmhills FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:04)

@jamessmurthwaite: Freehub Magazine is pretty killer right now.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (30) ecbp (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:06)

@brianpark: I’d be a lot less skeptical if pocket/outside wasn’t VC funded, www.crunchbase.com/organization/pocket-outdoor-media … outside investors add more pressure on companies to do weasely things, sadly, which can kill a community.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (31) brianpark FL Editor (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:09) (Below Threshold)

@DGWW @pdxkid @JDFF Over the last 10+ years I've seen many of our friends at other media titles living with the constant turmoil of failing media companies, largely driven by a refusal to evolve their businesses. I'd never want that for our team, and I hate saying no to big projects.

I did love my 2004 Banshee Scream, but it's a 2021 Stumpjumper Evo world, so I'm excited for that 'next level.'

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (32) DGWW (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:12)

@brianpark: Are you saying that Pinkbike was sold because it was a failing business ? What you are talking about is adapting, and I think we'd all be OK with Pinkbike adapting. Selling out to a large company isn't adapting or evolving. Thats throwing in the towel , so your founders can retire.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (33) lkubica (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:12)

"Outside", what a great name for paid content provider Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (34) I will definitely be "outside".

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (35) johnny2shoes FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:15)

@brianpark: Good luck and stay strong. You know you've got something special here (I can only think of one other site with readers who can be consistently trusted not to quickly descend into internet trolldom) and you will have to be strong to keep it. New management will thank you in the long run, they bought what it is not a project (otherwise i'd be posting this on nsmb).

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (36) matadorCE (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:15)

"You have used 8 out of your 10 free views to Pinkbike. Subscribe to our monthly plan for unlimited access!"

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (37) DannyJB (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:16)

@brianpark: What if you had to pay $5 per month to unlock the suspension and use the dropper post? No thanks.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (38) 5afety3rd (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:16)

Been checking PB less and less over the last year or two. Mostly do to ebikes, and articles turning to videos. I don’t think I’m in PB’s future demographic of rich middle aged guy. Bye Pinkbike. Was a great run.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (39) e-tav (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:18)

@adrennan: and NSMB
their articles are some of the best

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (40) inonyme FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:18)

Wonder what was your price?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (41) thedirtyburritto (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:18)

@pdxkid: because capitalism

nothing is ever good enough. nothing.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (42) scottshowen (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:20)

@brianpark: It's not going anywhere but now you'll have to pay for it.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (43) skierdud89 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:23)

@brianpark: You mentioned a race team above. Would the new found resources and access to sponsors with bigger marketing budgets mean PB could possibly help bring back local racing or help local organizers connect with sponsors that could help?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (44) Nygaard (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:23)

Well, can't say I'm surprised. Over the last couple of years there has been an exponential growth in content that has next to nothing to do with mountain bikes, but with a heavy focus on sh*t topics that are guaranteed to generate a ton of user engagement. Something is always about to change when it suddenly becomes important to include every single thinkable and unthinkable potential user group. ..

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (45) p3riderforlife (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:27)

@brianpark: noone wants pinkbikes to go to the "next level". Its already gotten out of control.
2 thumbs down.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (46) Zach22 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:28)

@brianpark I really want to believe that Pinkbike can hold onto its character and values but the list of Outside's current titles is basically a list of magazines/sites I've stopped reading after their content and tone changed following an Outside acquisition. I hope Pinkbike can be the exception and we don't start seeing Outside style listicles on which trendy products are "essential" for post ride beers.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (47) Lagr1980 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:29)

@mammal: dont dare to post your spy shots over there man!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (48) kinematix (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:32)

@Chief2slo: They were only using Beta as a tester.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (49) Upduro (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:33)

@brianpark: if you go down the road of beta where most reviews worth reading are behind the paywall, I'm out. Bikemag used to get equal traffic from me as pb and vital, now I just go there when I'm really bored while taking a sh*t.

I'm fine with ads but I won't be paying a monthly suscription, not even for Dan Roberts reviews.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (50) eblackwell FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:34)

@brianpark: if this means more Cathro content I’m in.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (51) ne-spoked-b (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:38)

@brianpark: Got so excited to read the comments when I saw this article.

This is simple scalability and hope it works well for the Pinkbike staff with additional benefits, insurance, retirement, pay, ect. Unfortunately being "punk" doesn't have a retirement plan or cover 85%+ of a knee surgery. The staff will need to make more money to afford rising MTB costs. It's not like Sarah, Levy and Kaz are dentists.

Speaking of.... ever notice every dentist office has Outside Magazine in it ? Did Pinkbike just get purchased by a Dental conglomerate ?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (52) erdinc (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:41)

So thats why we saw levy less and less

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (53) JWadd (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:43)

Please, PLEASE! Don't screw up TrailForks - it's managed to survive this long and become the leader in MTB maps. I, as I assume many do, pay the meager yearly fee not just for the added functionality, but mostly to support it.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (54) sngltrkmnd (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:44)

@kylar: that’s my question too. Honestly, when I hear that phrase, “go to the next level “, I can’t help but think this is just about stakeholders going to the next income level.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (55) Gatoqueso1 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:44)

@DGWW: I think at some point, these "independent" publications reach a point where advertising just don't cut it anymore. PB have a lot of people on staff and I'm sure their overhead bill is pretty high. I think its naïve to think that these guys can continue to grow on a free service model and without outside investment. Free is always a failing business model in a capitalist society.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (56) sngltrkmnd (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:45)

@pdxkid: ‘Murrica! Oh wait.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (57) Weens (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:45)

@brianpark: Love the optimism. Out of curiosity, did you read any of the publications Outside now owns before?

Frankly, I can live without Pinkbike. It's Trailforks I'm really going to miss

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (58) skierdud89 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:45) (Below Threshold)

@ne-spoked-b: If you're not here to take up pitchforks with the rest of the angry mob you will be escorted out.
People will only think of how this effects them personally in a yet to be unknown way instead of thinking of how it helps PB like you mentioned.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (59) conoat (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:45)

@JDFF: because if you aren't growing, you are dead in the modern economy. it's gross and unstustainable, but is what it is. You can't build a brand that just carries on making good money and employing people. you're either 10x-ing sh*t, or getting swallowed up by bigger fish. see also: this

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (60) pistol2ne (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:48) (Below Threshold)

@brianpark: hey, at least you can write your woke oppressor vs Opressed opinion articles on a larger outdoor platform.

Better finally make a vital account, womp womp.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (61) Rigidjunkie (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:50)

@brianpark: You imply there is a next level. Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (62) Maybe Pinkbike was at the pinnacle, maybe what made Pinkbike what it was was the fact you didn't have the resources. Getting the resources also means you need to get the returns.

I wish you and the site the best of luck, but more money flowing into things like this rarely result in improvements. It almost always involves appealing to a wider audience.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (63) snowwcold55 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:52)

@brianpark: I'd rather Pinkbike crowd fund a race team than pay for it with mandatory subscriptions. That way those who actually care can feel invested, and those who don't needn't worry about it.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (64) Rigidjunkie (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:52)

@kylar: Exactly, Pinkbike made the Grim Doughnut! That to me was a signal that something perfect had been created. Outside is probably going to have it destroyed because it doesn't align with their insurance policy.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (65) jamieSaunders (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:54)

100% agreed, I can stomach paying for the Trailforks subscription but once parts of pinkbike go behind paywalls that will mean the end of the site for me @Chief2slo:

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (66) brianpark FL Editor (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:58) (Below Threshold)

@Rigidjunkie: if we have to cancel the Donut I'm out. Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (67)

(The Donut v2 starts fabrication next week)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (68) skierdud89 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:58)

@snowwcold55: that was already a thing; Plus membership. But as you can see very few in the comments are plus members.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (69) knarrr FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:59)

@brianpark: that’s a good metaphor because the 2021 Stumpjumper Evo is notorious for systematically cannibalizing any shock that is mounted to it

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (70) jimmythehat (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:10) (Below Threshold)

@brianpark: would love to know why so many downvotes on that, comments section is frequented by so many sheep it’s embarrassing

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (71) dirtforbreakfast (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:13)

@eblackwell: Good point. I’d pay for more content from Cathro, Dan Wolfe, and others. But if I’m Cathro why not just own and monetize my audience directly through YouTube, Patreon, and brand sponsors. I just hope Pinkbike doesn’t go to sh*t in pursuit of the ‘next level’ like Whistler has after being acquired by Vail Resorts.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (72) gmiller720 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:14)

@brianpark: I look forward to a race team. Gaining access to the purse strings of a massive corporation will be a big step towards realizing some of your bigger projects. But it doesn’t come without it’s own costs. You now have consumers, shareholders, and a board of directors to keep happy, and shareholders don’t care about pinkbike, they care about dividends, and the board doesn’t care about pinkbike, they care about shareholders. I’m sure there are intricacies to managing a site like pinkbike that most of us will never understand, but, without attempting to sound too dramatic you’ve made the proverbial “deal with the devil.” That’s not taking a shot at outside by calling them the devil, purely metaphorical. I guess the point I’m trying to make is the growth that you refer to does come at a cost. You will unfortunately be subject to people from beyond the mtb sphere making decisions about a website that you (pinkbike staff as a group) have previously had a huge amount of control over. I wish you all nothing but the best and I hope this venture goes far better than most commenters are predicting.
Congratulations.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (73) DaFreerider44 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:15)

@brianpark: Just let me keep sh*t posting and I'll be happy

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (74) CantClimb FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:16)

Pay for pinkbike?? Lol......!!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (75) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:18)

@brianpark: I KNEW THERE WAS SOME CONNECTION TO VEGETARIAN TIMES!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (76) theoskar57 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:18)

@brianpark: haven't you heard "if it ain't broke don't fix it"??

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (77) DaFreerider44 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:20)

@gmiller720: For the first time in my life I wish waki was here to say something

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (78) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:22)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (79) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:23)

@theoskar57: As a government worker, I believe the correct quote is "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is"

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (80) adrennan FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:23)

@DaFreerider44: I know waki was a little whacky but I always thought he generally provided some great entertainment.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (81) Dustfarter (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:24)

@brianpark: it doesn’t need to go to ‘the next level’.
BS corporate jargon like this is what is killing too many good things

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (82) theoskar57 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:24)

@DaFreerider44: check his Instagram, not many words needed to sum up this bullsh*t

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (83) BenTheSwabian (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:27)

Its been a good run indeed. But it leaves me with a bitter taste nevertheless to open up the website today to see this after having listened to RC's podcast yesterday. In that he states his opinion about how the crowd made PB what it is today and how no editor should attempt to change it, because it would inevitably ruin the community. And now we've got this. My favourite and pretty much the last "pirate ship"-type sports publication selling out to corporate media. Great.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (84) ksilvey10 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:30)

@JWadd: Trailforks saved my butt out in the woods one day, so that's one I definitely don't mind paying for

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (85) BenTheSwabian (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:33)

@brianpark: Please tell us you don't actually believe that. This just can not possibly be the best way forward for PB. For all of the corporate bs that it most likely implies for the future of PB, you know it couldn't possibly be true.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (86) Drew-O (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:37)

This has a whiff of what happened at Deadspin: Great, successful independent site with a fantastic user community, bought by a VC-backed company that wanted to monetize it and take it "to the next level." They totally ruined the site, though in that case editors and staff quit en mass and started a new site.

Sadly it seems like here the PB editors (@brianpark at least) are cheerleading for the takeover. Paywall and auto-play video ads in 3...2...1....

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (87) fabwizard FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:38)

Is it me or is the Vital site really slow with all the new traffic?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (88) fabwizard FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:39)

OMG What if they monetize Friday Fails Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (89) nope1 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44)

@kcy4130: I really hope so. Ive been wishing for vital to step up their game for a while now.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (90) Graywing34 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:45)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (92) wlkr104 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:49)

Welp, we still have Vital

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (93) ne-spoked-b (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:50) (Below Threshold)

@skierdud89: Good point, this could ruin millions of peoples lives behind their computer screens. Hopefully it will helps Pocket Outdoor Media create deeper Omni channel marketing campaigns across many brands and lifestyles. What if some of these people with pitchforks work at some of those brands ? What if their revenue goes up and pay ?

Holy cow, this could be a real conundrum.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (94) islandforlife FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:51)

@yoimaninja: Eh, I probably won't bother with the PinkBike buy/sell anymore. I have still been replicating my facebook marketplace posts on here, but all my recent buyers have come through Facebook.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (95) robotboy (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:52)

@mammal: ha! nsmb = washed up old men testing bikes lololol

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (96) blackthorne (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:54)

Grew up with pink bike when I became mountain bike obsessed in 2010! Part of the reason for me (aside from the comments of course) is that the design hasn’t changed all that much and the ads arent obnoxious like the other revenue generating sites. The consistency and familiarity was reassuring in this online era where everyone’s vying for clicks. But it was only a matter of time before PB cashed out and it’s time to move on.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (97) JLantz (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:57)

@brianpark: Why does PB need to take it to "the next level'? It is doing great just where it is.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (98) juanmallorca (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:57)

@brianpark: "taking Pinkbike to the next level"

Depends on what you do understand by "next level" being owned by a big company means that profit comes above everything else.
I'm afraid that Pinkbike will become another platform for industry adds.

Becoming part of a big group means loosing part of what you are, you're not independent anymore.

Bad news.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (99) CircusMaximus (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:59)

@brianpark: the next level is BS corporate domination. Kinda like mapping every trail on the planet. Why would you guys want to kill adventure and discovery? Because you can turn it into $.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (100) audeo03 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:00)

ARRRGGGGGHHH!!!

Who's going to create Pinkbike 2.0?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (101) juanmallorca (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:01)

@brianpark: Comments are going behind a pay wall in 3....2....1....

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (102) cxfahrer (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:02)

Let's see how long it takes until the content is run down to PR bullsh*tting and "premium" behind a pay wall.

I have seen this on some sites - if an article generates enough clicks, the AI gives it the "premium" sticker, so you have to be on the site all your time to catch the interesting news and comments for free - or pay for it.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (103) mtallman2 (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:03)

In hindsight, the paywall on Trailforks should have been a red flag, it seems obvious now this was PB proving to VCs that a subscription-based monetization model could work with their user base. The lack of pushback there allowed this to happen, frankly. Downvote away, but we allowed this.

Much as I have lived on without Trailforks, I suppose I’ll live on without PB. Bummer though.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (104) Mntneer FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:04)

@brianpark: to the next level of being lame as f*ck.

All Vital needs is a better buy, sell, trade and there’s no reason to miss Pinkbike—at least for most people

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (105) juanmallorca (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:04)

@thedirtyburritto: always being unsatisfied, wanting the next best thing... absurd.
Pinkbike won't be the same ever after this move.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (106) the-Dude (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:05)

@ThePlt: It has already begun - half of the articles these days lack substance and real thought. They have become click and bait.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (107) mammal (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:08)

@robotboy: I'm 41, I fit right in. I guess your holding off for their move into the reality TV game then?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (108) juanmallorca (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:08)

@sngltrkmnd: that's exactly what it means.
Some rich guys making more money no matter what.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (109) like2pedal FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10)

@brianpark: why did it need to go to the next level?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (110) juanmallorca (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:13)

@skierdud89: Does it really help Pinkbike or the staff?
I don't think so, it will certainly benefit Outside for a while, until nobody comes here anymore because of paywalls and so.

I sincerely hope the best for the staff.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (111) Eatsdirt (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:15)

@brianpark: "2021 Stumpjumper Evo World" insert new business model "paid partnership with Specialized Bicycles"

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (112) JLantz (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:15)

@brianpark: You thought you could get a privateer race team together during the uncertainty of a global pandemic?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (113) sanchofula (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:17)

The end is not a point in time, it a progression, like climbing a mountain, but in the case of online forums it has been a gradual descent into a hole ... bring a flashlight and some beer, it won't get any brighter.Wanna see what can become of an on line forum that has had an even steeper descent, look at MTBR or TGR.At least Pinkbike has decent content and they created Trailforks which is worth the price if you ride trails in remote areas.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (114) peterleeman (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:19)

@brianpark: Why not just be honest and say it's all about $$?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (115) NMK187 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:20)

@brianpark: Shoulda just brought back the Pinkbike Card for added revenue.
I hate being told its about "growth", or the "next level" when its really about money.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (116) everythingscomingupmilhouse (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:21)

@brianpark: I think a lot of the PB community are rightly worried, but I can see it both ways.

I would really like to see assurances that PB content as it exists currently will remain the free version, and that any pay wall would only apply for new, additional content. In your article you mentioned training plans, health videos, books etc and that would be a brilliant addition that I would pay a subscription for as it offers new value that you and your competitors don't currently have.

Singletrack, in my opinion, are a great example of what you should NOT do - the only content not behind a pay wall is of far reduced quality to what they did have, and the amount of adverts and pop ups makes the site horrible to use. I've stopped using it completely.

PB is more than a website to many of us, it's a community, in a lot of ways it feels like a tribe or a family. The thought of that sense of togetherness disappearing behind a pay wall, or turning into the free version of Singletrack, feels like I'm being robbed of something which I feel I belong to, and therefore have shared ownership in, even if only emotionally. I hope decisions are made moving forwards which consider us, the readership, as I can see this being a make or break moment for PB and I don't think everyone will stick in it for the full journey.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (117) zeronine3 (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:22)

@kinematix: it is!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (118) mitochris FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:27)

@conoat: I would say that is only true if your product sucks.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (119) Mntneer FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:29)

@the-Dude: pure corny click bait

The podcast is a prime example of how dire the situation has become. Shows about nothing and reaching for words to fill up 90 minutes or less.

It makes sense, however. Gain revenue streams, boost revenue with click bait, sell platform, buy a Tesla. Literally straight out of the play book. The next chapter is where the product sucks because either staff or new owners self destruct the brand

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (120) juanny (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:30)

@brianpark: it might still exist on the free content, but there will be less engagement on the subscription based stuff when you'll essentially paywall a significant number of users
Look at Singletrackworld for example. You have to pay your membership to access their original content. press release articles and their forum remains free but it feels much quieter then before they switched their model.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (121) iliasalberto (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:37)

@jaame: your employer will appreciate that though...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (122) ACMountainbiker (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:38)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (123) nsteele (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:39)

@brianpark: it won’t go anywhere if the content remains free. It will be gone if it isn’t free and only 10% of the current users pay up, while the rest of us go elsewhere. PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THIS!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (124) jaame (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:41)

@iliasalberto: I was thinking that. While I do read PB from my company PC I have resisted the urge to log in, because I know my productivity will fall dramatically.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (125) bananowy (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:43)

@kylar: Your comment needs more upvotes. And should be taught in schools or something. If the world could sometimes as you say "just sit back and admire the cool thing you’ve built and go “yeah, let’s keep doing what we’re doing!”" it would be a better place. But instead we got told endless growth in everything is needed and possible and we somehow believed it because f*ck laws of physics.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (126) Texicans (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:49)

@kcy4130: I went over, created a login and said "Hi!" in the Norco Sight VLT comments section. I think we'll be welcomed. :-)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (127) onemanarmy FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:50)

@brianpark: I've been on the site since 2001. Moderator for 10 years.

I honestly hope for the sake of what this site means to the bike community in general that they don't mess with it too much. But the cold reality is companies like this tell you they won't... then they do because they think it will make them more money. You start throwing in paywalls and changing things up too much you'll start to see a significant shift in where people are going.

But I think that is avoidable and not something that's going to happen immediately if it does happen.

Cheers to the old guard.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (128) baustelle (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:51)

@jaame: And now you wonder? You / We are the reason why.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (129) krka73 (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:55)

@Texicans: Yeah man....

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (130) monkeynaut (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:56)

*double-post, derp!*

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (131) gonpalco (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:57)

@brianpark: like everything.

Problem is yours/pinkbike's/owner's next level may not be USER'S NEXT LEVEL.

Internet is huge, I've seen sites been born, get huge and die. It's life cycle.

So, let's check it out, what will happen

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (132) gonpalco (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:58)

@brianpark: until articles are in "you mus pay, to ser basic"

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (133) gonpalco (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:00)

@pdxkid: money...money...and more money

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (134) SoPitted (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:05)

I remember when surfline.com put out a similar message. Now all the "significant amount of free content" is a brand supported video or article that is a long winded advertisem*nt. Anything that sparks interest prompts you to a login. "Winter wetsuit buyers guide sponsored by Billabong" hard to make an informed decision when all the choices are from the same brand.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (135) Dogl0rd FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:07)

Goodbye pinkbike

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (136) GotchaJimmy FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:10)

Really glad the iteration of this comment that includes the phrase "I fear change" is the one being upvoted over all the others

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (137) commental (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:11)

If you're descending in an elevator the level below the one you are currently at is the next level. Just sayin'.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (138) wolftwenty1 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:13)

@brianpark @mikekazmier @mikelevy - hope you boys are getting a phat raise!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (139) kfilenda (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:13)

@onemanarmy: all they have to do is read through the comments and see the level of love and the recipe to keep this incredible community, for the most part, intact.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (140) commental (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:15)

VTVolk's comment is likely to end up being the most upvoted in the site's history. Shame he won't get the plaudits at the end of the year when PB do an article on most popular comments and hide it behind a paywall.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (141) SvenPixa FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:21)

@kylar: If they would have stuck to what they've built, then we would not have field trip, inside the tape, the privateer or any of other stuff that wasn't present when Radek first started pinkbike.
No, I'm not a fan of subscription content, but let's just wait and see which content will remain free. We can still switch to all the other websites once the content section ends up behind the pay wall...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (142) dualcrownscottspark (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:28)

Most upvoted comments of the year:
1. Redacted

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (143) Smokey79 (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:31)

@brianpark: Where's Levy? Why are u only responding? Maybe your part of this whole thing......imagine if Pinkbike had a Purge......

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (144) webermtb (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:33)

Sad. Goodbye Pinkbike & thank you for so many years of great & free content. Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (145)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (146) g123 (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:38)

Radek once stated that PB would never be a pay site, ever. I guess that lasted 2 decades.. not bad really.

Unpopular opinion I'm sure, but for me PB content has been slipping for the last year or so. Volume over quality, continuous fluffy/data-mining polls, standout articles becoming fewer and further between. In all honesty, the comment section has always been entertaining but has now become the single biggest reason to hit the PB link in my favourites. Becoming a pay-site, and the affiliation with Outside will probably make me un-favourite, un-click and unsubscribe.

Thanks PB for being my daily page for 20+ yrs... it's not you, it's me.

No wait. It's you.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (147) plyawn (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:43)

@brianpark:
>> I firmly believe that this was the best possible way to take Pinkbike to the next level

I don't doubt this, but I think it's a valid question: Does PB needed to go to the next level? What do you want to do that you couldn't before?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (148) everythingscomingupmilhouse (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:48)

@Mntneer: I love the podcast. It gets me through my runs to and from work. Maybe just don't listen?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (149) snowyslopes (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:54)

@DGWW: yup

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (150) blackthorne (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:57)

@dualcrownscottspark: LOL!! I bet we won’t be seeing anymore of those articles anymore. How long before downvote disappears?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (151) twozerosix (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:58) (Below Threshold)

@brianpark: congrats to all at PB; change can be scary and I don’t pretend to understand the media world but evolution and progress is good.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (152) dualcrownscottspark (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:59)

@blackthorne: hopefully never, but I give it a year.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (153) basic-ti-hardtail (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:00)

@brianpark: Here's hoping any inevitable changes are for the better, and any added paywalls are small and allow users to cherry pick only Pinkbike content.

I clicked over to Ouside, and yep- they have moving banner ads across the bottom (and often side) of the screen. One of my favorite things about Pinkbike is the style of ad integration... they aren't jumping out at you and moving while you try to read the actual content on the site. I really hope this doesn't change- it's one of the many reasons I come here over other sites.

Also, Outside+ is $100/yr ... if they try putting the best content behind THAT wall, I think you'll see a large number of folks jump ship.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (154) ReformedRoadie (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:05)

@brianpark: If you take away the PB comment section from me, I am moving to Florida, starting my own website that will have a patheticly small amount of traffic and be logo'd with a similar, but slightly different insignia to the PB logo.

You've been warned.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (155) skintightleather FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:15)

@brianpark: well, but what if no next level is necessary? what if the status quo is just a great balance of variety, professionalism, enthusiasm, avdertisments and product placement? What if maybe some stuff got a bit too professional and could do with a little water down back to enthusiast level or skipped at all (yeah im looking at you, academy…)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (156) TheLoamDeranger (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:16)

@brianpark: you corporate hack sellout

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (157) panchocampbell (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:19)

just erased everything from trailforks, ciao mofos!!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (158) Bushmaster123 (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:23)

@brianpark: typical employee response...
Save the BS...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (159) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:26)

Most people won't have the patience to recover their VitalMTB accounts - their system is a looping nightmare if you have ever used the same email account there. I'm just going to read my hard copies of Litter Mag until Sean upgrades the UX and UI over there.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (160) JWadd (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:32)

@ksilvey10: Trailforks saved us a ton of wasted time trying out new areas, wouldn't have even bothering with the road trips without it. You take a turn, go a bit, then wonder if it was a wrong turn. I'm probably OK going to Strava, but I came to Trailforks and paid for the MTB focus. REI has one that's fee based, but it's a mish-mash of hiking and biking and lacking maps in many areas. And I definitely don't want hiking trails tossed in the mix to begin with.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (161) bagoran (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:39)

@brianpark: Next level=

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (162) kylar FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:41)

@bananowy: Yeah, I took one of those low key subversive courses in college that pointed out that we are in a closed system and our currently most successful economic model only really rewards growth. We need to find a way to reward sustainability and no growth past a certain point. Someday we gonna run out!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (163) kylar FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:44)

@SvenPixa: that’s a good point, but I’d say that those are evolutions of their past race reporting and reviews. And mainly driven by smart hires who made those things possible in their current model. Selling the business to an entity that will try to monetize it to fund a race team is pretty far outside that. I am always optimistic though! And won’t abandon till it’s actually untenable.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (164) kookseverywhere FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:00)

It is very Squamish of them to sell out to foreign investors and price out locals

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (165) vikb (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:01)

@e-tav: Yup NSMB is where I start my day. I've stopped reading all the other media channels that Outside controls due to the paywall on most articles. Adios Pink Bike. It was a good run.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (166) dewstir (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:11)

@mnorris122:
I agree. Everything is for sale. Your life and everything you see is for sale. Really depressing.
f*ck capitalism.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (167) kcy4130 (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:11)

Is it just me or does it sound like Brian just went to a training seminar on corporate pr?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (168) kcy4130 (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:13)

Man, how mad are the people at outside vc firm going to be when they realized that 90% of the traffic on pb comes from 50 guys with boring office jobs clicking refresh 800 times a day! I mean, not that I'm one of those guys or anything....

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (169) Baller7756 (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:14)

@islandforlife: Facebook… the bane of the modern human experience.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (170) Baller7756 (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:28) (Below Threshold)

@plyawn: He already mentioned many things that the deeper resources will enable. The one I’m looking forward to is more in depth product (bikes, components, gear) evaluations, and comparisons.

Right now PB is at the mercy of what the manufacturers want to loan them for evaluation… now they will be able to purchase their own components and bikes. How any times have we complained that they only evaluate $8000-$10000 bikes? Now they can buy the $4000-$6000 builds and when they’re done sell them on Buy/Sell.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (171) juanny (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:40)

@Baller7756: Like Rtings.com?
That'll only happen with a subscription based model.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (172) bcamapgnolo (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:46)

@kylar: Patagonia's founder agrees with you, and I think you are on to something. What's wrong with remaining as is as a company, and just being excellent?
www.greenbiz.com/article/patagonia-founder-takes-aim-elephant-room-growth

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (173) mikelevy Mod (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:48)

@Noeserd: Nope, I was just taking some time away from the internet Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (174)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (175) mikelevy Mod (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:48)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (177) 2pi (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:49)

"Pinkbike since 1998"

not anymore...

Pinkbike 1998 - 2021

RIP ?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (178) trialsracer (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:50)

:v:

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (179) Three6ty FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:50)

@SoPitted: So True. I tried using Surfline after that for about a week and then haven't used it since. That was a few years back.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (180) dmob319 (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:54)

@kylar: not to go too lefty on here, but our hyper-capitalist system doesn’t really allow for that

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (181) danielstutt (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:06)

@jaame: the comments section will die anyway even if they aren't behind a paywall if many on here won't pay or subscribe and read the articles and comment

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (182) garrettstories FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:18)

Looks like everyone poured out their Red Bull and drank equal parts pessimism and haterade on their way to the keyboard. Like with Facebook, "If you're not paying for it, then you're the product". I don't know about you, but I don't like being the product.

Most everyone talking about monetization is thinking that means paywall, but it doesn't necessarily. This site has been running ads and therefore "monetized" for a long while now. Paywall is just another revenue stream that may or may not make more $ for the owner and may or may not be implemented. Time will tell.

If the editorial team sticks with the same passion and mission, I'm all in. Keep the faith @brianpark @jamessmurthwaite @mikelevy @sarahmoore @mikekazimer

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (183) islandforlife FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:24)

@robotboy: says the washed up old man...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (184) jclnv (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:25)

@Adamrideshisbike: So very true.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (185) manitunc (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:37)

@Gatoqueso1:
Tell that to Facebook

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (186) ShortJeffsyOwner (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:46)

@Chief2slo: I was so happy to see BETA arrive, only to hit my face on the pay wall. Haven't really been there since

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (187) Sleeperific (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:48)

Nft this yesterday!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (188) fracasnoxteam FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:49)

I just looked at this beta thing, Les gets WC photo recap behind a paywall. That's what you really want pinkbike?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (189) Eland FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:51)

WTF - It’s like the whole f@#king world is pressing a self-destruct button!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (190) kcy4130 (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:59)

@danielstutt: Yep, pinkbike was great because of the comment section. Vital, nsmb, and others have just as good of content if not better. The comment section is a community. It's like having a bunch of bike nerd friends. A few years ago I moved to a small rural town that has no other bikers. It's hours away from anywhere with an mtb scene. Before that I'd read pb lots, but never commented much. Even before the move, I almost always rode alone, and sorta resented it when trails were busy. I didn't think I'd miss being around other bikers. But, I sorta do. It's nice to nerd out about bikes in the comments with others who enjoy it. I'll miss that. If any content goes behind a pay wall, pb is doomed. Paying to be part of a community is like paying people to be your friend, or paying someone to be your girlfriend: it's pathetic and defeats the purpose.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (191) grgsmith (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:03)

@g123: I agree, to an extent. Oh well, It's been good Pinkbike! But popular community websites around hobbies always change over time. Time to look for some others I guess.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (192) sanchofula (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:30)

@everythingscomingupmilhouse: Come on man, you don't really buy into that on line community crap, do you?

These people don't give a sh*te about you, it's all nonsense, don't fool yourself.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (193) mikelevy Mod (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:40) (Below Threshold)

@garrettstories: Thanks for the kind words! We're all excited Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (194)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (195) sngltrkmnd (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:46)

@garrettstories: I'm with you. I've had an account since June '01. While it's natural to be anxious about change, I am not going to cave to cynicism and outrage. Also,maybe the paywall will cut down on the bad spelling. (kidding/not kidding)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (196) dancingwithmyself (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:04)

I would be fascinated to know the plan for monetization. Surely the Outside execs realize Pinkbike is trailforks and the comments. There are some nice articles, but at the end of the day the content is just the toast/pasta/grits/appropriate-analogy-for-your-country.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (197) jimmythehat (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:07)

@dirtforbreakfast: Cathro content is ten times worse since aligning with Pinkbike than his old YouTube days IMO

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (198) tacklingdummy (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:09)

@kcy4130: Not too sure about that. Vital is a great website, but the comment section just is not the same as PB. The PB comment section is what draws riders to PB. The wild, wild, west of talking, joking, and debating bikes among other things. Where everyone's comments are visible and dashboard notifications. Basically the online version of chopping it up with your buddies about bikes.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (199) spaced FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:12)

Remember when Dirt Magazine was bought?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (200) mkul7r4 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:21)

@adrennan: I'm in

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (201) DGWW (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:23)

@Gatoqueso1: perhaps they should curtail growth instead of sentencing PB to death...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (202) jaycubzz (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:26)

@mikelevy: Are you actually being payed to scroll through the many hundreds of comments that express dismay with regards to this deal and respond positively to the ones who are happy about this?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (203) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:38)

@jaycubzz:

Welcome to Human Capital(ism) We are the most valuable asset here and we are somewhat disgruntled, apparently.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (204) njcbps (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:50)

@kcy4130: The Outside corporate brass would have had a smooth and believable presentation.

Short version to Pinkbike: You'll get more pay and have more capital to expand the biz! Think of the new opportunities to review more bikes and different components, and to travel to new testing sites across the globe!

And maybe it will work out, but it's unlikely I'll pay to be part of it.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (205) njcbps (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:51)

@kcy4130: Did Pinkbike recently poll user's age? That would been useful data ... there's a demographic that would be more willing to get an Outside+ subscription.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (206) larr (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:01)

@bcamapgnolo: thats a great article....now back to work.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (207) chacou (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:07)

@njcbps: Outside is a VC funded series B holding company from the looks of it. Doubtful they're flying editors around the globe and buying up stuff to test and review, but that was probably part of the pitch.
My experience with tech acquisitions, which this feels very much like, is that the new investors/owners are likely going to roll PB and Beta into one, and then GAIA and TF into one, after some time. Wouldn't surprise me if Beta just gets rolled into the PB brand, since it's stronger with the "core" demographic, I'm not too familiar with GAIA, but I'd suspect that Outside is looking at this like "we don't need two mapping applications". Unless Outside is hoping to IPO one day, which I doubt, they're probably hoping to package and sell their portfolio to a bigger player like Conde Nast, Rodale, Bonnier, Time Inc., etc.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (208) NMK187 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:22)

#boycottthecomments

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (209) z5Levi (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:22)

@Zach22: Nailed it - used to read a number of sites that have been acquired by Outside/PocketMedia and sadly they're all just a beige serving of the same thing. Climbing/Rock&Ice used to be quality media providers with diversity of content on the same subject but now you can't even tell the difference when you go to the sites. Look up any of their content names and it's the same ugly WordPress site - it's just a VC looking to buy up media sources and monetize them. I'd really be curious how many people would sell to Outside now after seeing what's become of brands/companies they'd spent years establishing.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (210) Toddaking (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:25)

Can’t blame u for selling out. I hope the employees were taken care of with some kind of kicker if they weren’t owners. Sucks that it is private equity since they will no doubt sell PB’s soul. That is an absolute given.

Anyone know why they grouped PB and TF under “endurance” on the Outside trophy wall? Seems odd to group along with Running, Cycling, et al. Is this a harbinger for future missteps?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (211) Dmaxwell (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:29)

This is gonna hurt... Once you get past the paywall, January 2022, they are going to have this comment as the the most upvoted comment... and its absolutely dawggggin them lol

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (212) DGWW (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:32)

@mikelevy: when you say "we" do you mean those of you who have shares in the company ? or everyone who works for PB ? I have a really hard time believing that you folks really feel so positively about this.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (213) Kiwikev (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:11)

@adrennan: Like what has happened to Bike Mag - is it better now that's it's Beta? Will Pinkbike become Lgbtq+bike?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (214) rivercitycycles FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:16)

@krka73: The next level is corporate speak for more revenue aka “pay wall”

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (215) HaggeredShins (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:17)

@DGWW: as someone who's been working for fortune low number companies and having been involved in both the giving and receiving end of the long shaft of acquisition, the only positive people are those who don't know any better and leaders who are saying it for morale. sh*t rolls only one way.

Hoping for the best, for the staff, and especially for the community that's the backbone of what we all hope doesn't get paywalled into oblivion. The comments rolling in today say it all - rest assured VC isn't looking. Oh yea, f*ck Outside.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (216) tnerbg (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:17)

Welcome to the "Wholefoods" of the outdoor world. PB has been my go to fro nearly 20 years. Like VeloNews, Pelton, Rock and Ice, and Climbing, I'll get on with out it...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (217) BarryWalstead (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:31)

@brianpark: nervous? Hesitant? Worried?

You should be!

And I'm not at all 100% against subscription services, as I'm actually a BetaMTB subscriber, but mocfrom a free platform to a paid one will always be wrong. It will always alienate your users, it will always feel like your users got cheated.

It's a sad day, and while I get that we all have to eat, this was a bad decision and I'm pretty disappointed.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (218) sino428 (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:37)

@chacou: you are correct. It is definitely a VC backed company right now. For the short term that’s probably a good thing. The current VC model generally concerns itself more with growth than profits. They likely will invest here in order to grow the user base. And they with use that growth in clicks and subscribers to pump up the valuation of the company.

But ultimately VC funds are not indefinite. The goal is to invest, build a company, and cash in. So the people owning the company just by nature of the business have no interest in holding it long term. The entire goal will be to either sell the company to another larger media company or take it public.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (219) ccrida-pnw FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:40)

@brianpark: it is if the articles are pay-walled and no one reads them!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (220) rivercitycycles FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:44)

@ccrida-pnw: Does anyone read them now?...............most people go straight to the comments to be first to say "looks like a..........." I pay for the plus to have enhanced classified ads.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (221) ReformedRoadie (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:47)

@mikelevy: Odd thing to say…since your job is literally to produce content for said internet. The Evil Overlords beamed you up and forced their blue milk down your throat…

(You drank the Kool-Aid. Though not to the level of Brian)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (222) bpnic (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:48)

@mikelevy: yay, Levy has not left the building! We missed you man!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (223) adamdigby (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:59) (Below Threshold)

@CircusMaximus: You clearly don't understand how business works, don't come one here and complain that Pinkbike is seeking to make more money if you don't understand the basic premise of profit incentive. STAY IN YOUR LANE where the rest of the slow riders drive.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (224) taskmgr (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:03)

I called this a couple.weeks ago pahahah what do I win? I said they'll start charging for content like they did with trail forks. f*cking sellouts

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (225) taskmgr (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:05)

@DGWW: it was sold out for money so another company could make more money. Business 101.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (226) J-Sheridan (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:05)

@Chief2slo: I totally agree paywalls are BS and I won't be shelling out every month for a subscription to see your content. I pay for trail forks but if you try to bundle that with some +Outside nonsense, see you later. This reminds me of the "next level" that MEC in Canada tried to attain. Guess what happened a couple years after their restructuring and hiring their overpriced CEO, bankruptcy! I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but this is a well worn path you're on.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (227) taskmgr (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:05)

@eblackwell: it will mean much much less. Except high turnover

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (228) JustGivinerrr FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:09)

Also end of Trailforks… big $ has to get their fingers in everything.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (229) BEERandSPOKES FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:18)

Time for BUSTED SPOKE to be resurrected!!!!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (230) rosemarywheel (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:38)

@ReformedRoadie: So long as some of the content is MTB-related, I will be there all the way, Mate!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (231) Mattysville (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:38)

@garrettstories: how dare they utilize our data to sell to the companies that cater to our very niche industry to allow them to create products that meet our wants and needs while also providing the worldwide mountain bike community with a place to congregate off the trails all at a cost of nothing to us. I believe @brianpark mentioned MySpace…. After Mark decided to cash out and the VC’s started asking for money from “premium users” at the same time Facebook(Vital/NSMB) are picking up steam the OG of social media has been relegated to a waste of a web address. I see the same happening here. It’ll be quick and relatively painless and the PB execs can get their retirement and children’s trust’s funded and we will just have a new favorite site in a few months. Time to Vital to upgrade its servers and get ready for some new traffic. They’ve been posting the same articles onus some for a while anyway.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (232) gnarlysipes (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:45)

@brianpark: I always try to embrace change and wait for the results to speak for themselves instead of judging before anything has actually changed. I’ll keep an open mind and only shun you if things go south. Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (233)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (234) gnarlysipes (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:58) (Below Threshold)

@thedirtyburritto: You wouldn’t have the joy of riding your sweet bike or commenting on these forums without a free market economy. Why don’t you read something other than Vox and CNN? Not all companies are crony capitalists.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (235) gnarlysipes (Jul 14, 2021 at 19:00) (Below Threshold)

@jimmythehat: I say good riddance to all the freeloading losers on Pinkbike. I stopped coming here daily because I got so sick of the vibe from the user base. They’re bipolar.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (236) MC13368 (Jul 14, 2021 at 19:09)

*me in computer class trying to talk to other people about bikes after all pinkbike commenters boycott*

Me: Dang, XT wireless finally released!
Anyone: What’s that?
Me: Opens mouth to talk, then sighs at the massive amount of explaining needed, just for the person to stop caring half way through it.

You guys can’t all leave or I’ll never be able to talk to someone who doesn’t say dirt ramp or daredevil stunt master without years of explanation.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (237) rosemarywheel (Jul 14, 2021 at 19:20)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (239) enduroNZ (Jul 14, 2021 at 19:25)

It’s quite ironic how much people spend on bikes but they won’t pay a small fee for online content… I fall into that category.

It’s all about the value proposition and paying for online content is a low value in most people’s minds, that’s why most will use you tube and be quite happy to stomach their ads

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (240) yetiguy1 (Jul 14, 2021 at 19:43)

@wilsonians: but nobody will hear you (or anybody else) bitch if the comments are locked behind a paywall. If a tree falls in the forest...

But seriously, this could backfire if the core audience is alienated and jumps ship. I think hardcore MTB fans are like American NHL hockey fans - the ones who love it really LOVE it, but for the rest of the punters it's a passing fancy. Not the type to wake and fire up the interweb for bike-related content.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (241) stiingya (Jul 14, 2021 at 20:03)

I just checked, and the E-bike content on BETA looks to be free.

So I'd guess we can expect the same here in the future. So as long as they comments section remains free we'll STILL get to waste hours every day bitching about ebikes!

Actually, even the paywall articles on BETA leave the first paragraph free. So really most PB commenters will still have all the information they need to continue to make the high quality "informed" comments that we are known for!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (242) puudz (Jul 14, 2021 at 20:29)

My Pinkbike hat is less cool now...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (243) future-rs (Jul 14, 2021 at 20:58)

While I agree 100% I think the next steps are to…

To read the remainder of this comment, join Outside+!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (244) starblanket (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:32)

@kylar: “A whole nother level”

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (245) bretthudson (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:36)

Is it April 1 already, global warming has got way out of control like there was no winter but I'm pretty frosty on this

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (246) kobold (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:42)

Im burning my camo pinkbike hoody

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (247) mangochaos (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:44)

@ecbp: Pinkbike has been VC owned for some time now.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (248) goatonmorphine (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:56)

@matadorCE: exactly . . . That's where everything is headed these days $$$$$ we're all just cash cows now

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (249) goatonmorphine (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:58)

@Nygaard: so true

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (250) goatonmorphine (Jul 14, 2021 at 22:00)

@JWadd: I second this!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (251) TheR FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 22:01)

The suits at Outside right now; “Well that didn’t go as planned.”

Serious trust issue right now between this community and that brand.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (252) goatonmorphine (Jul 14, 2021 at 22:02)

@snowwcold55: amen!!!!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (253) RockyMTrider (Jul 14, 2021 at 22:05)

@Rigidjunkie: we probably won't see MES race coverage eny more.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (254) thisspock (Jul 14, 2021 at 22:08)

Well, yup been here almost 20 years, been real good times. These things never last, and frankly they shouldn’t or we could never truly appreciate what we had. The fun thing about PB is that it’s always felt really genuine, opinionated, loose and raw. That we know is going to be polished out. Oh well, there are a dozen other sites review the same sh*t, and there are other social media outlets. Cheers to becoming actual corporate sell outs, I really hope it lines your pockets well.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (255) whambat (Jul 14, 2021 at 22:15)

While I’d like to be hopeful, this purchase somehow reads to me: we couldn’t figure out how to get people to subscribe to Beta when people get Pinkbike for free, so we bought Pinkbike.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (256) MOBrules FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 22:37)

@ybsurf: It's all downhill from here.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (257) Super7 (Jul 14, 2021 at 22:56)

@mammal: Last 3 articles I saw on NSMB were about e-bikes so I wouldn't exactly hold them out as a paragon of virtue.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (258) Kainerm (Jul 14, 2021 at 23:27)

@brianpark: I guess it is a case of "so long, and thanks for all the fish". I can't recall a bike media buyout that didn't result in the brand basically dying, because the new owners were seeking to press that juicy profit out of their acquisition...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (259) HuckingCanuck (Jul 14, 2021 at 23:34)

@MOBrules: you mean its all cross country and e-bike from here

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (260) Brklss (Jul 14, 2021 at 23:37)

@5afety3rd:

Absolutely the same for me. This just puts PB to bed for me. Good bye and thanks for all the fish!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (261) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 23:40)

@chacou: I've used free version of GAIA for 4X4 trail mapping...it's OK.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (262) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 23:44)

@BEERandSPOKES:

Me: Who remembers MUDslu*tS (which predated MTBR.com)?

Y'all: "No one, ya old git!"

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (263) DrTibo (Jul 14, 2021 at 23:44)

Exactly what i was thinking when i read that ... hope they don't break something good. They bought Pinkbike for the community ... there is a community for a good reason ... changing the buisiness model will be very tricky if they don't want to lose a big part of what made PinkBike today ...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (264) heckler73 (Jul 14, 2021 at 23:55)

@mammal: welcome back home

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (265) juanmallorca (Jul 14, 2021 at 23:58)

@DrTibo: they don't care, they just want money. Outside knows the amount of traffic and the position of pinkbike and they just want to capitalise it, no matter what.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (266) nullzwo (Jul 15, 2021 at 0:27)

"This is the first photo ever uploaded to Pinkbike. The image of Rob Stevens dropping off a bank in Calgary, Alberta is the perfect representation of what this site has always stood for:"

going downhill without control, either you win or you crash painfully which is way more likely.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (267) Curse-of-the-foot-long-sub (Jul 15, 2021 at 0:32)

OnlyPinkers

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (268) fracasnoxteam FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 0:33)

Did you, pb team, thought "what if we just asked if people would help us achieve all our glorious project by giving us money, money we could ask for." In France Vilbrequin (youtube car channel) raised tonnes (more than a million) of money to build a 1000hp fiat multipla. Just think a sec what could have been done with pb community. Sad it won't happen

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (269) maxx-x FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 2:20)

@brianpark:
Pinkbike was developed in a great direction during the last years. It has become the number one media for mountainbikers in the whole world. So I am very confident in your decisions as they have proven to be good ones in the past.
However I do have the feeling that going down the paywall rout just because everybody is doing it and PB is now part of everybody is a huge risk and has the potential to ruin the whole thing.
The greater the opportunity the greater the risk.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (270) dennis72 (Jul 15, 2021 at 3:49)

Sorry Pinkbike, I am not going to pay!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (271) schlockinz (Jul 15, 2021 at 4:15)

And to think, RC was talking about pinkbike being a pirate ship firing cannons at bike manufacturers who don't do stuff like putting water bottles in frames.

I guess the pirate days are gone.

I'm gonna go ride my 26" hardcore hardtail now while I mourn for the future

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (272) dancingwithmyself (Jul 15, 2021 at 4:17)

@Toddaking: noticed the grouping as well. Not a good omen.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (273) bishopsmike (Jul 15, 2021 at 4:30)

I honestly think if Pinkbike becomes Beta (or any other paywall site with no comments, no community and no Buy/Sell), it could have a significant impact on high end bike sales around the world.

I mean, PB gets me excited to buy new gear. The comments section helps inform me, and the Buy/Sell is usually how it happens. No other media outlet really fires that stoke.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (274) kcy4130 (Jul 15, 2021 at 4:51)

@tacklingdummy: Yeah, vital interface certainly could be better. But we'll figure it out.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (275) Noah353 (Jul 15, 2021 at 4:52)

@Zach22: pinkbike already has so many branded posts

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (276) kcy4130 (Jul 15, 2021 at 5:02)

@njcbps: Even in the (very unlikely) scenario that nothing goes behind a paywall, it's still not the same. Prior, our clicks and comments contributed to pinkbike making ad revenue and ultimately made money for Radek, an old free rider who actually cared about mountain biking and bikers. Now our clicks and comments just enrich some douche bag venture capitalist whose only interest in mtb is making money.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (277) kcy4130 (Jul 15, 2021 at 5:09)

I just really hope that pb didn't force non compete clauses on everyone. So cathro, for example would be able go back to doing his own youtube stuff without having outside's lawyers sue him for all he's worth.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (278) dwbaillar (Jul 15, 2021 at 5:10)

@brianpark: As cool as it would be to see deserving privateers get support, pinkbike starting a race team would be a conflict of interest. As a media company your job is to provide the best possible race coverage, not get in the mix. If you want to do more for racing, why don't you look at purchasing rights to stream WC DH coverage on the site, or at least post some more comprehensive highlights? How about taking a run at the video coverage for ews to actually capture a good representation of each stage? Spectators bring money, and growing spectators has a lot more in common with your core business than starting a race team.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (279) tylerd99 (Jul 15, 2021 at 6:04)

@pistol2ne: haha I agree dude, I don’t get why people have to be SJW especially on a mountain bike website

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (280) Phillyenduro (Jul 15, 2021 at 6:35)

RC leaving was the real beginning of the end. This is just picking up speed down the slide.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (281) tylerd99 (Jul 15, 2021 at 7:05)

@kookseverywhere: hahaha yes!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (282) danielstutt (Jul 15, 2021 at 7:19)

@dwbaillar: this is a very good point, I would not be against paying to watch races through pinkbike if PB purchased the rights to stream events.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (283) chubby5000 FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 8:42)

I remember speaking with an employee of the initial company who first bought Pinkbike a couple years ago, and shortly afterwards they monetized Trailforks. I still bought it, it's good value for me.
But THEN he mentioned the volume of sales that goes through the Buy & Sell each day "and it's not even monetized yet!". So get ready for that too. He seemed like the scum of the earth type of human who ruins all good things in the name of profit. And not for the hardworking employees who make the actual product great. Was sad to hear and to listen to. To all the staff of PB, I hope you guys are treated well during this.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (284) mikelevy Mod (Jul 15, 2021 at 8:43)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (286) adrennan FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 8:58)

@kcy4130: that comment about office guys clicking refresh felt like a personal attack.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (287) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 9:05)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (288) Gatoqueso1 (Jul 15, 2021 at 9:13)

@manitunc: Very true, however, FB's appeal is so much more broad than any niche website like PB. FB also, as far as I know, doesn't really produce content? I'm sure FB cost of doing business is astronomical, but they are also one of the few places on the net that reaches almost anyone in the world, meaning they can charge top dollar for ad space, and other multi-billion dollar companies are willing to pay that. FB basically breaks down to be a data farming company who's soul purpose is to spy on as many people as possible so they can sell your soul to advertisers every time you log in.

Now, if you will allow me to set off my soap box.... haha

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (289) mitochris FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 9:22)

@fracasnoxteam: totally agree. There are multiple examples where the users are asked for contributions, and it seems to work quite well in most cases. I am sure the more affluent readers would have chipped in.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (290) mccarthyp (Jul 15, 2021 at 9:31)

@fabwizard: I am sure they'll try. But ultimately 99% of what people come to PB for is user generated content, event press releases/results and industry puff pieces
None of which should be paid for. Riders only provide content because they site does not have a pay wall, we pay by answering surveys and tolerating bike company articles and adverts. It worked well. I can't see anybody paying for PB content, it just isn't at the level of Vital or Enduro-mtb not even close.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (291) mitochris FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 9:48)

@mccarthyp: I somehow agree. I am riding since the early 90s and after a hiatus due to children and work, I started riding more again some 10 years ago and the community at PB was a great motivator. It made me buy new bikes, numerous upgrades and improve my riding, mainly due to the user generated content. If this would be behind a paywall, I would not have joined and maybe even stopped riding. Access to PB and Trailforks made me donate to my local trail society. If inclusion and attracting more riders to the sport, was the goal, this seems like a dangerous move. I sincerely hope that the comments here are not going to be dismissed lightly and the impact of PB on the sport appreciated and considered in their decisions.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (292) HaggeredShins (Jul 15, 2021 at 10:08)

@mccarthyp: 100%. Its easy to forget that PB originated entirely on user content way back when -- I had an account but mostly was on BustedSpoke as a teenager being on a different coast. Now living across the Trump belt, PB has been awesome to have, but even as its grown I'm still not here for the media stuff as many others aren't either.

There are three core audiences with a lot of overlap: articles, forums, and buysell. I can live without articles but if either of the latter two go, I go with them. Monetizing forums and classifieds does not work, its a well worn path that ends up nowhere, but I wouldn't put it past some MBA to try to squeeze blood from a stone at the expense of an established community that's already generating ad revenue.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (293) scotttherider FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 11:14)

@VtVolk how’s it feel having the most upvoted comment of all time on pinkbike?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (294) Moonie2123 (Jul 15, 2021 at 11:43)

@kylar: Amen to that, sometimes evolution leads to extinction, or worse lol. Unfortunately when us humans start building stuff, we rarely know when to stop. Big, bigger, more more more.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (295) tarik28 (Jul 15, 2021 at 12:46)

Perfectly said. @pistol2ne:

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (296) VtVolk (Jul 15, 2021 at 12:52)

@scotttherider: Right now we're trying to just focus on the things that matter most, like how we're going to waste so much time at work once PB is gone/dead/worthless spam. It's a team effort, and we couldn't have done it with out all of you. We're taking comments one at a time, and hope to keep this train rolling for as long as we can

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (297) dancingwithmyself (Jul 15, 2021 at 13:09)

@brianpark: kudos for engaging in the comments on this, but I think we’re all rightly very worried that Banshee to Specialized will turn out to be a very apt metaphor for the change in culture and content that results from this acquisition.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (298) pgomez (Jul 15, 2021 at 14:00)

@ecbp: this. VC money doesn't care about the MTB community and stoking us out nearly as much as they care about their pockets

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (299) Compositepro (Jul 15, 2021 at 14:17)

@brianpark: wow that got more flak than a lancaster bomber over berlin

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (300) Rumpelhumpelheld (Jul 15, 2021 at 15:34)

@scotttherider: @scotttherider: VtVolk is now part of the Outside family! New bigger projects ahead! THE BEST IS YET TO COME!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (301) scary1 (Jul 15, 2021 at 16:11)

@JDFF: cuz “America”

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (302) Boze74 (Jul 15, 2021 at 16:35)

@DannyJB:

Not so bad since they’ve been providing the whole bike for free for years.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (303) Sweatypants FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 16:46)

YOU GET A SUBSCRIPTION! AND YOU GET A SUBSCRIPTION! AND YOU GET A SUBSCRIPTION!Let us count the ways... Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, TLC, AMC, HBO, MotoGP, PlayStation, Apple TV, Disney, Pandora, Soundcloud, XM Radio, Podcasts, Patreons, Peleton, Trailforks, Strava, Carfax, shaving, tea, clothes, man goods, candy, meat, wine, dog toys and treats, groceries, make-up, every software known to man or anything worth a damn. Coming soon, features on the car you bought for tens of thousands of dollars. f*ck every last one of these companies.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (304) z5Levi (Jul 15, 2021 at 17:26)

@Sweatypants: Haha you used to pay $90/mo for cable - now you pay $10x8/mo for all the steaming services you want. All these companies are really "revolutionary".

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (305) Sweatypants FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 17:38)

@z5Levi: 133% the enjoyment, 400% the annoyance!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (306) Dogl0rd FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 18:07)

@Sweatypants: death by 1000 cuts

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (307) Sweatypants FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 18:12)

@Dogl0rd: Amen. I'm gonna end up in a cabin in the woods reading books and admiring pine cones on hikes the way this is going.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (308) mensch-mueller (Jul 15, 2021 at 18:44)

Just joined vitalmtb. See you there!
Is there a way I can delete my Pinkbike-account?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (309) rosemarywheel (Jul 15, 2021 at 20:32)

@schlockinz: What kind of hardtail? spill?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (310) cogsci (Jul 15, 2021 at 21:34)

@chacou: pretty accurate

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (311) dwbaillar (Jul 15, 2021 at 22:04)

@Sweatypants: Sounds like maybe you should start with Walden

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (312) chorpie FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 22:28)

@chacou: Nailed it. The presentation to PB staff likely went something along the lines of "We're really excited to bring your expertise aboard and with our resources, you'll be able to work on all of the things you haven't had the money to. You'll stay 100% autonomous and make your own business decisions". Then after laying off redundant staff (anyone in administration)... six months later they'll start dictating what the content should be. one year later, rebrand/roll into another brand.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (313) jeremiahwas (Jul 15, 2021 at 23:04)

Other have posted this but it should probably also be up here in the top comment. . .

www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/biking/outside-acquires-pinkbike-cyclingtips-and-trailforks

"The Pinkbike acquisition adds considerable readership and revenue in the cycling space, and thus adds momentum to the company’s Outside+ membership program. Outside+, introduced this year, offers enthusiasts various bundles of content, services, discounts, and other offerings for a $99 annual fee. The membership revenues complement Outside’s revenues from advertising, creating a business model for publishing that CEO Robin Thurston said is more sustainable than traditional media models in the long term. Adding Pinkbike, CyclingTips, and Trailforks gives Outside+ more critical mass, making membership purchases more desirable for enthusiasts and providing more readership for advertisers inside and outside the industry, Thurston said.
“This acquisition is a key moment in fulfilling our mission to build a vibrant home where active lifestyle participants will discover a wide range of content and tools to fuel their adventures. We’re very excited and honored to welcome the Burkats and their team to our family,” said Thurston. “As a lifelong cyclist, I’m a huge fan of these brands, which are perfect complements to our own cycling titles—VeloNews, Peloton, Beta, and Bicycle Retailer—and to our recent acquisition of Gaia GPS, the dominant mobile mapping app for hikers, backpackers, and overlanders. The marriage of these businesses creates a truly comprehensive resource for all types of cyclists and outdoor adventurers.”

The ironic truth is I (and I imagine others,) might have actually considered paying an annual subscription fee for Pinkbike and Trailforks AS IS, owned and run by the people that currently run it, rather than some other parent company that will likely alter it in ways I simply won’t like, and definitely won’t pay for. (Look no further than the current, apparently permanent ad on Outside that takes up the bottom section of the page that you can’t even click to go away, for example.)

Pinkbike and Trailforks, (again, as is), are worth at least a few bucks a month to me but it won’t be if it diminishes or morphs into anything like Outside. It’s hard to believe that won’t happen.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (314) z5Levi (Jul 15, 2021 at 23:12)

@jeremiahwas: I'd say majority of the people in the comments are with ya - had they put $5-10/mo fee between PB/TrailForks we would have been happy to pay to continue this quality content. But to give that money to Outdoor feels about as good as pissing into the wind. I think I'll save my $99/yr and spend that buying some beers/coffee during a ride and support some other non-corporate efforts.

The sentence "As a lifelong cyclist, I’m a huge fan of these brands..." just makes me gag. It's just a token gesture to try and say "hey people, us vulture capitalists totally have the same interests as you".

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (315) fracasnoxteam FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 23:14)

@z5Levi: totally, that was my point a few comments sooner and I read that more and more people think this way

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (316) Uncled (Jul 15, 2021 at 23:38)

@brianpark: you f*cked it. this so could be avoided by reading one book, Small Giants by Bo Burlingham - Companies That Choose To Be Great Instead Of Big.
Cheerio PB it’s been a blast and hello Vital.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (317) Uncled (Jul 15, 2021 at 23:40)

@brianpark: how much did you sell out for? serious question.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (318) Uncled (Jul 16, 2021 at 0:01)

@brianpark: What was your price for ‘next level’?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (319) Uncled (Jul 16, 2021 at 0:02)

@brianpark: it’s going to Vital sweet cheeks

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (320) Compositepro (Jul 16, 2021 at 1:27)

@mensch-mueller: probably not but you should maybe see a doctor to get the knee jerk reaction thing fixed

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (321) inversedotch (Jul 16, 2021 at 4:28)

As a Trailforks admin/ambassador i'm always happy to see more cash pouring in. The dev team really need more resources and the pro version was a step in the right way.

Now, as a Pinkbike reader and TF contributor, i'm very worried about the future and i'm in the wait & see category.

What will happen with the existing user content (photos, videos, etc..)? Will it be also available for all the other Outside publications? Same with all the future content (TF included). To be honest i'm not sure i would post/share any media on Pinkbike until this question is answered.

The other elephant in the room is how independent Pinkbike will remain. I still remember when Outside Mag declared that snowboarding was dead (with the drama that ensued) and i'm really not looking forward to that kind of editorials.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (322) krka73 (Jul 16, 2021 at 5:24)

@Sweatypants: seriously, I get an e-stack of bills every month for sh*t that did not even exist 20 years ago, and it isn't chump change.

And I want someone to name a single publication that improved after Outside took over... I'll wait.

It will be a slow death for PB at first. But dead it will be, at least to me when it goes the way of all the others.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (323) krka73 (Jul 16, 2021 at 5:27)

@inversedotch: I'll probably keep TF, as long as they stick to that promise of fixed cost for life when I signed up during the promotional period. I really don't have a better/easier way to plan rides at new trails, new locations.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (324) Sweatypants FL (Jul 16, 2021 at 7:13)

@krka73: I've been seriously avoiding it. BeIn used to have amazing motorbike coverage and I have it on my cable package. Then MotoAmerica went to FS2, I'll catch it sometimes if I catch it, and MotoGP went to NBCSN and now only replays the main race like 10 hours later... I'll watch it if I'm up and I remember even though I already checked the standings. I'll continue to keep the pirating spirit alive. Its not even the money at this point in my life, its the principle. We "borrow" Netflix and Hulu and rarely ever use them. All these subscriptions do is make me realize how much I CAN live without something, and I realize my tv being on is mostly just background noise. I think its the opposite effect that all these companies think it'll have. At least for me. Most of its crap, and I'd be happier with a milkshake than another subscription to something trying to fill the void. Or I'd be happier giving money directly to the person making something worthwhile than paying overhead and admin costs to see it just the same. I like reading Pinkbike daily for sure and the comments are funny, but I'll just go look at everyone's instagrams or another forum just the same to keep up with what's going on. Its a take it or leave it thing because of convenience, its not dire nor necessary. The interaction is what's meaningful, the content while enjoyable is not that unique, cept for a few. Edits and shorts will reach people somehow, new bike news will reach people somehow, bloggers will blog, reviews while informative, also happen a dozen other places. If they stifle the interaction, well then...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (325) dolrandir (Jul 16, 2021 at 7:26)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (326) mtnbkrmike (Jul 16, 2021 at 7:40)

@brianpark: Yes. The comments section of PB IS a huge part of PB. And while it may not be going anywhere as you say, I would suggest that what WILL be going elsewhere is the mass majority of comment contributors and PB faithful.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (327) juanmallorca (Jul 16, 2021 at 7:58)

@jeremiahwas:
"The ironic truth is I (and I imagine others,) might have actually considered paying an annual subscription fee for Pinkbike and Trailforks AS IS, owned and run by the people that currently run it, rather than some other parent company that will likely alter it in ways I simply won’t like, and definitely won’t pay for. (Look no further than the current, apparently permanent ad on Outside that takes up the bottom section of the page that you can’t even click to go away, for example.)"

This.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (328) scary1 (Jul 16, 2021 at 8:26)

@Sweatypants: with a VR headset?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (329) scary1 (Jul 16, 2021 at 8:28)

@gnarlysipes: yup, stopped being fun years ago, I’m not gonna pay for a bunch of negs.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (330) chocolate-thunder (Jul 16, 2021 at 9:51)

@skierdud89: it was fine when it was $20 to get Plus perks. Now @ $50, not worth it. But this is still off-topic - Pinkbike only works because it is full content for free.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (331) onemanarmy FL (Jul 16, 2021 at 10:49)

@mikelevy: Is that your most heavily downvoted comment? -42 so far. That's up there with some of mine. HA!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (332) fabwizard FL (Jul 16, 2021 at 12:35)

Just a thought, why didn't pinkbike offer the business to us pinkers?

We could have raised at least $10.00 Canadian.

just kidding but part serious.

.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (333) matadorCE (Jul 16, 2021 at 16:56)

@fabwizard: you mean go the patreon route like all podcast nowadays? Perhaps but we don't know why they really sold. If it was all about the money, or about something else.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (334) Sweatypants FL (Jul 16, 2021 at 17:00)

@scary1: never ever... until they force me to have sex like Demolition Man.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (335) matt721 (Jul 16, 2021 at 18:20)

@adrennan: spot on

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (336) matt721 (Jul 16, 2021 at 18:24)

@MikeyMT: agree, people seem to not be realizing the payout that’s likely involved here. Basic human nature/needs probably all this is, not some lofty goal of “the next level”

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (337) matt721 (Jul 16, 2021 at 18:28)

@scottshowen: lmao. “Next level”

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (338) scotttherider FL (Jul 17, 2021 at 7:34)

@VtVolk: so much modesty in this comment. I’m just wondering when outside is going to step in and derail this comment train.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (339) scotttherider FL (Jul 17, 2021 at 7:38)

@jeremiahwas: @mikelevy: why not post a survey asking before simply selling out?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (340) schlockinz (Jul 17, 2021 at 10:23)

@rosemarywheel: NS surge circa 2008

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (341) rosemarywheel (Jul 17, 2021 at 12:29)

@schlockinz: Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (342) Do you have pictures? and the word 'spill' above was intended to have an exclamation, not a question mark.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (343) Cmcrow76 (Jul 17, 2021 at 12:29)

If Outside/PB introduces a paywall, no matter how small...hello Vital, MBR, Enduro, Singletracks. Plenty of options.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (344) fabwizard FL (Jul 17, 2021 at 12:31)

@Cmcrow76: If I were Vital I would have an article welcoming Pinkers.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (345) McArdle FL (Jul 17, 2021 at 12:38)

@brianpark: I see what you are saying mate, however I’m sure a similar thing was said when Dirt mag was ceasing print production…the alternative was to receive a sh*tty digital copy, granted this isn’t the same situation but what I’m trying to say is that not all change is for the better, especially money is involved.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (346) chorpie FL (Jul 17, 2021 at 12:58)

@scotttherider: Because commenters don't make business decisions for a site that provides freely distributed/ad-driven content. I'm sure only a fraction of people saying they'd pay a sub for content would actually pay for content that has been relatively free for so many years. Any purchasing company (Outside) has the benefit of guaranteed money to shell out, plus the normal acquisition lies of increased budget, autonomy, dream projects, additional staff, etc.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (347) Compositepro (Jul 17, 2021 at 16:20)

@chorpie: BOOM!!!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (348) juniorj (Jul 17, 2021 at 21:22)

@brianpark: rough when the algorithm os censoring you from your own article.

I hope this story goes the direction of the, infamous Summit Sport of Whistler - Coastal Culture Sports, tale.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (349) Sweatypants FL (Jul 18, 2021 at 14:06)

@chorpie: "Because commenters don't make business decisions for a site that provides freely distributed/ad-driven content."

See, but they actually kind of do. Because without the traffic and comments and people, those ads are worth dick. They GET ad revenue BECAUSE the commenters and people are here and because what they're putting out is stuff people want to see. Soooo... you can freely push them away, but then ad revenue will drop when they can't justify the cost to reach ratio any more. If the content sucked, well then same difference. Better hope those subs make up the difference in income.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (350) mapleroo (Jul 18, 2021 at 22:33)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (351) chorpie FL (Jul 19, 2021 at 0:16)

@Sweatypants: Yeah but at some point in the past PB made the decision to grow as much as possible and sell to someone for gobs of money. That means all of their choices up to this point (content, hiring, etc) have been a means to that end. To make them look as good as possible to any interested purchasers so they can get the most money for an acquisition.

I've been through enough company acquisitions to know the standard spiel that comes across, it sounds like sunshine and roses until the deal is done. The owners get rich, the workers get laid off or beat into submission, and everything goes downhill from there.

But what would posting a survey bring about, aside from hurt feelings?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (352) onemanarmy FL (Jul 19, 2021 at 9:39)

@chorpie: Pretty standard move so not completely out of the question by any means.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (353) GarytheDestroyer (Jul 19, 2021 at 11:54)

@kinematix: The answer to your question is yes.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (354) PartridgeSkillz (Jul 19, 2021 at 18:12) (Below Threshold)

@brianpark: Brian, some of us trust your vision. I originally bought a subscription to Beta last year because I have always supported what those folks did for the entire MTB community; much as I support what Pinkbike and Trailforks does for the global MTB community. I even appreciated when my Beta subscription became an Outside one, since they still have a lot of value to bring to the outdoor community as well. I also think it’s pretty badass that my Trailforks subscription also helps out riders and trail groups in places like Eastern Europe or Turkey, not just NA or BC. So, looking at this beyond my home trails, I hope people realize that this is a great opportunity to strengthen a platform that is reaches the community in a way that benefits everyone. Here’s hoping it turns out beyond your wildest hopeful expectations, and looking forward to seeing what this unleashes. But out of curiousity, since I’m already an Outside + member, am I automatically a Pinkbike subscriber too?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (355) bhann (Jul 20, 2021 at 5:32)

@Chief2slo: Do you work for free?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (356) mammal (Jul 20, 2021 at 6:45)

@Super7: I certainly don't give an F about ebike content, but NSMB is at least 90% conventional mtb content, local to my area, and they keep themselves accountable in their opinions and what they publish. Also, not owned by a large corporate entity or headed toward paywall business model.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (357) Heidesandnorth (Jul 20, 2021 at 11:30)

@brianpark: Honestly Brian, either you are entirely able to deceive yourself or you are already in full corporate b.s. speak!
Just for kicks, look at Outside magazine: take one from the 90‘s and one of today. The old editions were about the outdoors with lots of awesome writers and stories.
Today it is first and foremost about expensive, snobby style crap for rich people that are never outdoors but play pretend.
Outside is, for me, the prime example for a complete and utter sell-out of values and vision for lots of greenbacks. That is the road PB is going down now and your team-sponsoring blahblah for me is nothing but a pipe dream.
Let’s see who of your crew will be employed by Outside three years from now…
Why am I writing this? Experience of several buyouts as an employee - it was never pretty and in the end I was holding the bag. And yes, I have heard your future dreams frim several middle-management types, deluding themselves.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (358) Ryanrobinson1984 (Jul 24, 2021 at 18:43)

@brianpark: what “level” are you trying to get to exactly? Pinkbike, by far, is the monopolizing content platform for cycling. Pinkbike literally is to the mountain bike world, worldwide, as Google is to search engines. How can you actually get any bigger or visible?? You’re at the top. Stop being ridiculous

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (359) Dogl0rd FL (Jul 24, 2021 at 19:44)

@Ryanrobinson1984: quality comment

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (360) NorthCoastZack FL (Jul 26, 2021 at 19:00) (Below Threshold)

@DannyJB:
I’m wary of all of this too, but let’s be real.
Every one of us would not think twice about having to pay $5/month for the ability to use our suspension or droppers if it really came to it. I do enjoy ridged bikes, but not enough to render my squishy bikes useless. I’d happily have 1 less beer a month haha.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (361) Dogl0rd FL (Jul 26, 2021 at 19:48)

@NorthCoastZack: don't joke man that sh*t is coming

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (362) Haydos85 (Dec 8, 2021 at 15:15)

@sngltrkmnd: Exact fact

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (363) kmsafety (Jan 2, 2022 at 3:56)

@kcy4130: the form

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (364) kmsafety (Jan 2, 2022 at 4:07)

@kcy4130: the vitalmtb forum format is horrible! Maybe if they improve it, I might consider it. There is no way they could compete with Pinkbike unless the editors leave Pinkbike and join them to help improve their site. There are so many mergers and companies being bought out these days and we never even know it, e.g., Google has bought out many companies and these companies continue to thrive and oftentimes improve and grow. Since Pinkbike is ran so well and there is nothing on the web that compare other than MTBR I can't imagine that Outside would disrupt Pinkbike, but if they did then those behind the creation of the site can also start another website similar or even better.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (365) Mntneer FL (Jan 2, 2022 at 4:10)

@kmsafety: Pinkbike editors do not design websites and develop user interface. Any skilled web developer could improve vital. Hiring Pinkbike editors would prob fill the site with endless dumb sh*t

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (366) gsp (Mar 29, 2023 at 10:09)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (367) j-t-g FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:16)

Outside is dogsh*t and I'm looking forward to finding a new favorite site as large oversight and monetization decisions ruin the site over the next 5-10 years.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (368) adrennan FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:22)

vital and nsmb for the content. pinkbike for the comments. it has always been the way.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (369) FMHUM (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:34)

Outside isn't bad, but man, it's like super high end outdoor stuff. Directed toward people who make/willing to spend ALOT of money on outdoor equipement. I realize this is a weird comment coming from a mountain biker where the monetary barriers to entry are very high, but Outside is rich for even my blood.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (370) scotttherider FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:37)

@adrennan: I bet vital and nsmb’s comments section blow up as the mass exodus from pinkbike takes place!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (371) TheLoamDeranger (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:44)

I for one welcome our new corporate overlords. Nothing like a faceless mega-conglomeration to really make you feel like you're part of something big.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (372) Adamrideshisbike (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:44)

Outside is insufferable. I gave up on their podcast after getting tired of having political opinions shoved down my throat. And no, I'm not a troglodyte, I agree with the 98% of the opinions, I just don't think EVERYTHING has to be political and I enjoy a little separation in my personal life.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (373) secondtimeuser (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:45)

@FMHUM: I'm sure we can drag them down to our level!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (374) Afterschoolsports (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:47)

Now to remember my nsmb password....

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (375) bman33 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:01)

@Adamrideshisbike: Amen. You are on point for sure.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (376) shredddr (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:02)

outside will invariably get sold to whatever conglomerate owns tupperware, then hollowed out and sold to the private equity firm that desecrated Deadspin. It's a fitting end really.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (377) usedbikestuff (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:08)

@adrennan: This is the way

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (378) fabwizard FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:11)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (379) jmhills FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:12)

@FMHUM: I cannot wait to read and hear more hard hitting reviews that Beta has become very good at. Things like how that $200 shirt is their favorite jersey. Or, how their favorite shorts are $150. Or how the $6500 version of that bike is the one to get. They used to be solid reviews. I bought my current bike straight off of their review. Now, I do not care anymore.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (380) salespunk (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:18)

@shredddr: you forgot the part where the PE firm then breaks it all up again (so the parts can focus on their "Core Mission") after they have sucked every dollar of profit out

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (381) thedirtyburritto (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:24)

@Adamrideshisbike: I am starting two countdowns today:

1. how many days until the first paywall?
2. how many days until the first 'ten best MTB mountain towns to retire in that you have never heard of' article.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (382) Goocha05 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:28)

Enduro MTB are probably the best alternative for reviews

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (383) tbubier FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:36)

@thedirtyburritto: Uh #2 is scary accurate. Outside thrives on click bait articles.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (384) Bikedude666 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:40)

I was an avid follower of cyclingnews.com until they were bought out years ago. Their site went from a grass roots, no fluff, info source to the hom*ogenized, corporate thing it is now. I am fully expecting this to happen here with Outside lording over things.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (385) conoat (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:48)

@thedirtyburritto: the apocalypse will come in a listicle

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (386) JDFF FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:01)

@Afterschoolsports: I know right? Ha ha. Same with Vital for me... probably just going to try and start fresh.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (387) Gatoqueso1 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:34)

@jmhills: I think for as long as I have been following PB, they have always reviewed expensive stuff. Heck, 95% of mountain biking products are above what most people deem affordable.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (388) BenTheSwabian (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:39)

@thedirtyburritto: Willing to take bets? I say six months to the first paywall.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (389) fabwizard FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:42)

@BenTheSwabian: Anyone able to set up a pool when it will start? 5 bucks an entry?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (390) BenTheSwabian (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:45)

@Goocha05: Some of their content over the last two years has been great and I like their variety, but I kinda dislike their decidedly "enduro bro" hipster attitude. Not my cup of tea at all.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (391) font9a (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:09)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (392) audeo03 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:13)

Need to check and see if they purchased each of us as well. Expect a "You now belong to Outside Corporation" letter in the mail...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (393) jaame (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:43)

@Goocha05: does Enduro even have a comments section? I totes haven’t noticed one. I don’t even have an account. It would be easy for them to pick up a few thousand members about now.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (394) Nygaard (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:41)

@Adamrideshisbike: Like the political agenda bullsh*t hasn't already made it's way to Pinkbike? Makes perfect sense now though - it was to ease the transition and make the change of direction less obvious.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (395) emiliooo35 (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:18)

@Adamrideshisbike: this is exactly why I stopped visiting Outside

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (396) conoat (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:28)

@fabwizard: Im in! put me down for a 5er at 2 months. Price is Right rules???

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (397) Hyakian (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:34)

@Adamrideshisbike: x2 - Politicization leads to further polarization, bikes need to bring people together

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (398) Adamrideshisbike (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:48)

@Hyakian: Amen.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (399) shredddr (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:51)

@jmhills: so many reviews are just crap now. One recent release had two reviewers saying a bike was playful with two more saying the bike was point and shoot - gee, I wonder if setup and riding style matters. Anyway, I'm dying to see how the new Outside will balance Pinkbike's hatred of Evil with Beta/Bikemag's insatiable lust for Evil.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (400) jclnv (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:05) (Below Threshold)

@Adamrideshisbike: That’s what a transphobic racist member of the patriarchy would say.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (401) bman33 (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:16)

the irony...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (402) Baller7756 (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:00)

@FMHUM: Barriers to entry? What are you talking about? Like anything… there is a range of products at all price points. Anyone can get into MTB for a few hundred bucks. Maybe make a hard choice on the latest iPhone vs a bike? Check Craigslist, PB Buy/Sell. Like anything… have a goal, make a plan… and go after what you want.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (403) Boardlife69 (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:05)

@adrennan: I just came out of my commenting retirement just to say I will now start commenting on Vital just to piss all over outside. Now where daf*ck is Waki?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (404) hamncheez (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:47)

@jclnv: sarcasm doesn't go over well with this crowd

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (405) jclnv (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:17)

@hamncheez: Tell me about it! Bloody normies.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (406) scotttherider FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:20)

@jclnv: y’all it’s just a joke not a dick don’t take it so hard.....

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (407) taskmgr (Jul 14, 2021 at 19:47)

@Bikedude666: sounds like mountain bike action lmao

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (408) nouseforaname FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 20:41)

@jclnv: It's not a JCL comment if it's not downvoted to oblivion.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (409) TheR FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:20)

@Adamrideshisbike: I agree with you. I hate Outside with the passion of 10,000 burning suns. I cannot stand that publications Insufferable is the perfect word… and of course it’s headquartered in Boulder. We have no choice but to be wait and see what will happen to Pinkbike, but I’m not exactly optimistic.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (410) jclnv (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:35)

@nouseforaname: True. I have three shadow accounts that I use to downvote myself.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (411) tacklingdummy (Jul 15, 2021 at 3:01)

@shredddr: Yeah, tupperware is junk. You have to get the Nupont-fiber woven stuff.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-cXK0OaeB0

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (412) jmhills FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 5:05)

@Gatoqueso1: This is true but if you look at Beta reviews now, and anything out there in Outside, EVERYTHING is the titanium version. EVERYTHING is the blinged out version. There are alternatives that are suit to purpose that are not the expensive version. Just look at their gear reviews.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (413) stationaryisdead FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 5:15)

@Adamrideshisbike: I respect the way PB has been non political, but now that they’re corporate I’m sure that will soon change. There’s a reason big corporations go “woke” and it’s because they can get their money at cheaper rates. It’s all a BS system where they get ranked by how many woke messages they produce. It’s why it’s so rampant ATM when we all know how hypocritical these big companies are who do it. Expect it

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (414) nouseforaname FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 7:14)

@jclnv: When you have to supply your own oppression. Very modern.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (415) jclnv (Jul 15, 2021 at 7:44)

@nouseforaname: We’re all victims.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (416) scotttherider FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 8:57)

@jclnv: are you and @hamncheez dueling to replace waki?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (417) hamncheez (Jul 15, 2021 at 9:40)

@scotttherider: I still have that +500 upvoted comment about the $700 Enve pressure gauge!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (418) scotttherider FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 11:13)

@hamncheez: you must have spent days creating that many fake accounts to upvote that many times!!! But the real question is....did those accounts win you any advent or win it Wednesday prizes?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (419) hamncheez (Jul 15, 2021 at 12:41)

@scotttherider: excuse me I used a distributed bot system

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (420) eastsideride (Jul 15, 2021 at 12:51)

Screw Outside. This is a terrible move from PB.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (421) mccarthyp (Jul 15, 2021 at 13:03)

@eastsideride: Over 2.5k comments and I think you put it best. Agree with you 100%

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (422) Gatoqueso1 (Jul 15, 2021 at 13:26)

@jmhills: Your probably right, I had never even heard of Beta till yesterday when all this came out, so I can't really speak to it. I have been accused of being a very optimistic person, so hopefully things wont change too much. Time will tell a suppose.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (423) scotttherider FL (Jul 18, 2021 at 7:04)

@hamncheez: oh I see! Knew there’s a trick to it! The real question now! Did you win any advent prizes!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (424) mattr (Jul 19, 2021 at 20:29)

@thedirtyburritto:

Outside: The Best Places to Mountain-Bike.
www.outsideonline.com/video/ely-nevada-the-new-mountain-bike-boomtown

Bam. Nailed it...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (425) shredddr (Jul 19, 2021 at 20:57)

@mattr: brought to you by the local tourism board. I know everything is pay to play, but I'll be skeptical if Outside+ tells me Moose Jaw is the mountain bike capital of the world.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (426) mattr (Jul 22, 2021 at 9:31)

@shredddr: I was commenting more on the timing than the content; I didn't even take look when it popped up in my feed.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (427) cstich (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:02)

Just make all the e-bike content paid content. That's the only demographic that's going to pay for Outside+ anyways

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (428) bman33 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:16)

underrated comment

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (429) TheMountainViking (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:53)

Toplel, give that man a cookie.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (430) freeriderayward (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:27)

And give cstich 10% of the profits, because he first thought up this brilliant idea!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (431) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 0:00)

Yes, keep real MTB on this side of the wall. WhtEwalkers

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (432) cstich (Jul 15, 2021 at 10:27)

@freeriderayward: I don't want that dirty money

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (433) Lagr1980 FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 13:05)

@cstich brilliant. prolly right. Im hardwired to not pay for these things, I just see "subscribe" and shut down the tab.. let see if we can make thisarticle the most commented ever.. engagement out of anger.. we are just numbers somebody think can be monetized somehow I g uess..

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (434) vitesse (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:22)

I don't think I'll continue my Trailforks subscription if the money is going into Outside's coffers. Outside is primarily "outrageously expensive item is absolutely necessary to enjoy the outdoors and also saves the planet" content. Occasionally they'll have a good longform article but they're few and far between.

It was annoying that Trailforks played on the community aspect to get the maps and trails built up in their system, and then pulled the rug out from under you. Now they're part of a giant media conglomerate. Why should we continue giving them money?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (435) TheBearDen FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:44)

Without trail forks making money off the backs of trail organizations and trail builders PB wouldn't be remotely worth what it is to larger companies looking for new investments.Trail forks was a well thought out strategy and was already an early marker that PB had lost its interest in being for the people and was moving towards just being for the profit.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (436) atourgates (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:44)

I’m more concerned about all the trail associations (including my local one) who have embraced TrailForks as their official mapping platform.

It’s hard to imagine that a large media conglomerate buying TrailForks won’t somehow mess that up.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (437) TheBearDen FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:50)

@atourgates: trailforks already is the epitome of capitalism. They make money off the backs of hard working people. The whole trail karma donation thing is just a way to look less sh*tty about what they did.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (438) sspiff FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:59)

Servers aren't free... and TFs is still a far better service than mtbproject

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (439) bman33 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:02)

@TheBearDen: Anyone know of the best alternative to TrailForks?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (440) TheBearDen FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:10)

@bman33: Gaia is good. But I did just learn they are owned by outside as well haha.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (441) playdodiet (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:16)

@bman33: I'd recommend checking out MTB Project, but these mapping platforms are very dependent on where you are. I've found Trailforks and MTB Project to be the two most reliable and easy to use.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (442) bman33 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:19)

@lopagross: Thanks. I live in Bentonville now (used to be in Denver). Trailforks works great. I know about MTB Project, but haven't ever used it.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (443) salespunk (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:19)

@bman33: yeah, it's called Strava

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (444) teagues (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:22)

Y'all know MTB Project is just an REI property, right?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (445) mi-bike (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:25)

"we intend to map every trail in America, and eventually the world, so that Outside+ members can ride, hike, run, and ski with greater confidence and safety."

Safety is a premium feature. Because of course.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (446) bman33 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:33)

@salespunk: I new the Strava comment was coming. Yes it works well ,but damn I just can't disconnect it from all the d-bag 'Stravaholes' / a*sholes I know and have seen using it. I know plenty of normal non d-bag folks use it as well....but, Crap....

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (447) j-t-g FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:35)

Just wait until you don't have the option of subscribing just to trailforks. At some point the only option will be subscribing to Outside+, where you'll be paying for all the sh*t you don't want to get the one thing you do.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (448) Mountainmanjh (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:37)

@teagues: not anymore, they're independent again

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (449) bulletbassman FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:50)

@teagues: except rei is an awesome company. Outside is just venture capitalists seeking a buck in their hobby land.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (450) playdodiet (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:59)

@teagues: I'm pretty sure they split up last year, and Adventure Project has yet to announce a new partner. It seemed like a mutually beneficial partnership, and really helped AP grow over the past few years without forcing consumers to really pay up.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (451) Gatoqueso1 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:59)

Have you seen the prices of Mountain Bikes? Helmets? Gear? Shoes? Parts? I sold a vehicle to buy my bike, and it was low on the spectrum of what you can spend. I get how annoying the disconnect that these publications can have with what is actually "affordable" to the common people, but mountain bikers as a whole have long accepted the cost of things. In MTBing, everything is high end.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (452) newbermuda (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:24)

@bman33: there are far less strava dicks than people make it out to be. unfortunately for people who build secret/special trails, its a really great way to find those secret gems, and also make routes. trail forks was never good for any of that. just remember to turn your heat map off.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (453) Sharonb (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:37)

@newbermuda: Trailforks is amazing at making routes and ride plans. Find a ride log and load it into the app.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (454) JoeDick (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:38)

as a paid employee of a nonprofit who has targeted trailforks as a part of our regional tourism strategy, I am concerned. some one better be busy downloading all the free data we provided to trailforks over the years.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (455) newbermuda (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:40)

@Sharonb: agree to disagree.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (456) knutspeed (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:30)

@bman33: trailguide.net

Just needs users on the other side of the pond.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (457) premiumfrye (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:49)

And I just bought a bunch of Trailforks swag for the 4th of July sale. Can I return a used bottle and hat for a refund?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (458) canadaka FL Mod (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:20) (Below Threshold)

@JoeDick: The brands Outside owns operate pretty independent from what I understand. I don't see things changing much for Trailforks, besides some shared resources and subscriptions. The possibility to work with Gaia on some shared resources and features? Trailforks will be able to hire more staff. Trailforks was doing well before this change and all the people behind Trailforks aren't going anywhere.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (459) mtallman2 (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:46)

@canadaka: never, in my career of working with/around PE/VC companies, has their ownership meant “hiring more people.” More often it’s making those already there work more/longer until they crack, squeezing every last dollar out until it’s dry. Expect turnover, and chaos.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (460) Bikedude666 (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:50)

@TheBearDen: I did not know this but it does not surprise me. Outside is probably run by elite Wall Street money launderers and they need all these places to hide their clients drug money.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (461) KalkhoffKiller (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:13)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (462) stormracing (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:09)

@lopagross: adventure project was bought by OnX

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (463) georgiamtbiker (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:41)

I never was really into Trailforks. I never found it more useful than Mtbproject, komoot, Strava, and osmand. Using those depending on your needs provide more useful mapping and discovery tools. When Trailforks went to a pay model I stopped using it. I already pay a subscription to Strava and have a lifetime membership to Komoot. That is enough for me. I did however leave my auto upload enabled for Trailforks so the data could continue to build the tool for the community and those that did find it useful.Today I logged in to my Trailforks account and disabled the auto upload from Strava. If a mega corporation wants to profit off my back they need to pay me. I don't mind contributing to a community, but I'm out when it comes to helping the mega corporations squeeze every last dime out of my favorite outdoor activity.I encourage everyone to turn off their auto upload for Trailforks.I also look forward to our new corporate overlords censoring and blocking my account for saying this.It's been a fun 20 years Pinkbike, but I'll be surprised if your in my daily future for much longer.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (464) justinroehlk (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:15)

@canadaka: the craziest thing about trailforks, is that it relies heavily local sourced information, all given by users…. And it started costing money to the users who kept the app running in the first place. That rubbed me wrong so I started giving Strava my money and using the heat maps.

Same thing is going to happen with PN

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (465) Solorider13 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:04)

@justinroehlk: I don’t understand how to use strava as a trail map. All I see are segments scattered all over the place which make no sense.

Someone help m

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (466) JoeDick (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:52)

@canadaka: We spend time and money on trailforks for the end user. It is a good platform but the fact that you took a user/club generated data base and started to charge a user fee for it with out any reasonable consultation with the clubs who have been populating the database is a red flag. This deal does not make me feel any better about it.

If organizations are going to continue to put effort into trailforks , the end user should not be paying trailforks with out some option for the trail organization to either spit the user fees or have a way bigger incentive for trail users to donate to clubs. currently we make about $30 a year though trailforks donations.

There were suggestions for having regions open to users via a local tourism boss fee. this was brushed off as too hard to implement. If you want to continue to have clubs spent time and money on the platform these concerns have to be addressed.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (467) SvenNorske (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:41)

@Sharonb:
You cannot even map out a ride on the Trailforks app - only select uploaded ride logs or single sections of a trail. This should be a top 3 function, and is unacceptable in an app that is $40.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (468) jayacheess FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:36)

@SvenNorske: You can certainly map out rides on the website - which is where I would choose to do that kind of work, anyway.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (469) SvenNorske (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:55)

@jayacheess: Like I said, ridiculous considering how many people don't even use a computer anymore, especially while traveling. I've been to many new trail networks, got some great suggestions on routes from locals, and then realized I can't even map it out. Many route changes and adjustments happen while traveling, at the trailhead, or while riding.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (470) rosemarywheel (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:59)

@mtallman2: Yes, the company I work for did just that. They call it 'Lean Manufacturing'.

Total BS.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (471) jayacheess FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 19:48)

@SvenNorske: Fair, yeah. It would definitely be a nice feature to have. Still, I'm surprised that people travel without a laptop or a tablet or some kind.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (472) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 23:51)

This kerfuffle reminded me to cancel my Early-Adopter $17.95 Pro TF account. I only wanted to help pay PB employees' salaries..... I really only installed it to access a new massive trail system (Mt Bachelor/Bend) because I had no experience there. Didn't need it or use it at all. There are lots of free maps.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (473) spoochypants (Jul 15, 2021 at 5:50)

Yep, I really feel for the people and especially organizations that invested a lot of time and effort into Trailforks. With this deal it definitely ranks as one of the bigger bait and switch maneuvers on an enthusiast community I am aware of.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (474) TheBearDen FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 6:22)

@sspiff: I couldn't give two sh*ts if servers cost more than lumber.
What they did was f*cking slimey.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (475) ESKato FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 13:39)

@knutspeed: yes I find it much better to use round here in Europe than Trailforks Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (476)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (477) KalkhoffKiller (Jul 16, 2021 at 3:24)

@ESKato: I really like the lean & fast ui and that popular trails are named like they are known and not cut into 5 pieces so I can download them right into oruxmaps and don't have to deal with the sluggish and badly readable trailforks map

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (478) cyclebean (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:21)

Looks like I am going to have to choose between a pinkbike subscription & my onlyfans subscription. This is not the type of pressure I needed mid week.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (479) snowwcold55 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:30)

@cyclebean I'm using my OnlyFans to pay for my pinkbike subscription. Get comfortable selling feet pics, bro.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (480) scotttherider FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:41)

@snowwcold55: this is a gold comment man!!!

@cyclebean: I think you’re on the right page here. If I’m paying for content I want the option to see tit*! Take not outside!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (481) bman33 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:50)

@snowwcold55: Feet? You don't know $$$$ until you let yourself free and really turn up the dial on ankles and elbows..... Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (482)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (483) giantwhip (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:56)

@snowwcold55: is there an athlete's foot fetish out there?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (484) filwhip FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:14)

@snowwcold55: this comment hurt my ribs so much.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (485) sjma (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:38)

@giantwhip: I read an AMA from a ballerina that said she gets paid (significantly) more for feet pictures than from performing. Ballerinas’ feet are friggin gnarly, too.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (486) sjma (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:45)

@giantwhip: oh no - now I’m realizing you might not have meant foot pictures from athletes but instead meant fetishized pictures of fungal infections. I’m not sure which one would bring more money…

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (487) giantwhip (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:11)

@sjma: ya I went full gnar there. Sorry about that

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (488) Boardlife69 (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:02)

I got some nasty looking toe jam infested hairy Frodo feet, how much can I make?
Pinkbike is O.F. Vital is p*rnhub. Long live the Hub!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (489) SterlingArcher (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:26)

@sjma: how bout we do it all - athletes’ athletes foot

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (490) robito (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:25)

Thanks Radek. I've spent countless hours on your site. Genius idea, great job. Now go make a purplebike so we can all move over.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (491) scotttherider FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:38)

I’d bet a large sum of money he has signed a non-compete agreement as part of signing this deal.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (492) robito (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:44)

@scotttherider: Yep, you're probably right. Hopefully others, folks on here that are way more talented, and more technologically versed then me, with pockets of a certain size can put something together. This sale proves a site like this can be profitable.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (493) noplacelikeloam (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:54)

@scotttherider: 3 years at best, give it time.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (494) erdinc (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:30)

@Pinkishbike

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (495) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:40)

#Blackbike \m/

This is a Varg killed Euronymous moment.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (496) L0rdTom (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:54)

Vital for race coverage, Enduro for reviews, NSMB for nonsensical ramblings, literally all Pinkbike had that was special was comments, so hopefully the community settles somewhere else outside a paywall.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (497) erdinc (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:01)

@L0rdTom: Comments will never be the same even if there will be no paywall

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (498) dancingwithmyself (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:55)

@scotttherider: yep. Savy users realize the thing to hope for is that outside takes long enough to screw it up so that all the noncompetes run out before we’re left with nothing.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (499) stevemokan (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:19)

Remains free: sponsored content. Behind a paywall: everything else.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (500) Km303 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:52)

This is so true.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (501) Boardlife69 (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:54)

p*rn is still free. I'll take glory holes over paywalls every day of the week

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (502) bman33 (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:59)

@Boardlife69: I would be hesitant to use a free glory hole....just saying. Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (503)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (504) Boardlife69 (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:23)

@bman33: Just spectating from safe distance......unless you know where one might be,....for a friend of course.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (505) bman33 (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:43)

@Boardlife69: of course Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (506) Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (507)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (508) johnny2shoes FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:43)

"In partnership with Gaia, we intend to map every trail in America, and eventually the world, so that Outside+ members can ride, hike, run, and ski with greater confidence and safety."

What a genuinely horrible and frightening idea.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (509) MtbRacer97 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:12)

Yeah f*ck that. There’s something to be said about going into the woods with no phone, no strava, just to (responsibly) get lost

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (510) jmhills FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:17)

Looking forward to finding dehydrated food bags, trampled foliage, and Insta "influencers" in their big hats and native pattern print on all the trails!!!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (511) Peally (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:21)

Nothing says unspoiled wilderness like thoroughly mapping every square centimeter of the planet's surface for your subscribers.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (512) person-named-john (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:21)

Even regardless of that being something intended for Outside+ members only, I still don't think that every trail should be publicly available... Some things are better off unknown to most people, y'know?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (513) johnny2shoes FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:30)

@Peally: @MtbRacer97: I was reminded of the Radiohead song Fitter Happier for some reason. Like a pig, in a cage, on antibiotics.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (514) j-t-g FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:37)

Right now Trailforks hides trails that the area managers keep hidden. I wonder if Outside+ members will be able to pay for the privilege of full access down the road?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (515) Sharonb (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:39)

@j-t-g: tf also hides trails they don’t want the land managers to see. I think if they were forced to show those trails, they’d disappear.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (516) canadaka FL Mod (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:45) (Below Threshold)

@j-t-g: no way that will happen.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (517) BenTheSwabian (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:49)

@jmhills: The nasty virus has pretty much caused this already where I live. A lot of people, who would have otherwise only hiked to the next coffeshop, are flooding the trails and forests. Most of the time without the first idea on how to behave themselves in nature.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (518) snl1200 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:16)

I would love to see more access to outdoor spaces for everyone. I think a better relationship with outdoor spaces and healthy living could offer a lot to the world. However, I do not see any altruistic intentions in corporations like Outdoor. They are a business. I think the quote would better read: "In partnership with Gaia, we intend to map every trail in America, and eventually the world, so that we can make money from it. The financial model is simple- we own the maps that users generate for us and then sell it to people with little maintenance costs or upkeep. Everything can be sold- including access to natural spaces. We don't maintain trails, get our hands dirty, care about traffic in sensitive areas, whether or not people have the skills to manage themselves in those spaces... it just doesn't matter to us. Maps are commodities and we will sell the s$%t out of them. F$%^ you all. Daddy needs a new Tesla, Patagonia puff and craft Kombucha."

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (519) DylanH93 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:54)

Seriously, something about that just sounds wrong and evil on so many levels. Wonder what they'll do when they exclusively hold all that data.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (520) georgiamtbiker (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:46)

I just disabled my auto upload to Trailforks. If mega corps want my data they can pay me. I'll contribute to a community freely but not to our corporate overlords.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (521) DylanH93 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:48)

@georgiamtbiker: how exactly did you do that, like on strava or TF? Mine still auto logs and it's kind of annoying since I've got it super private on strava. Had it setup for that July 2019 ride everyday challenge and now I can't tell how to turn it off. Or do you have to be on a laptop? Thanks!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (522) georgiamtbiker (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:46)

@DylanH93: If you log onto TF on a computer you can find the area to remove the auto upload from strava in the Ride Log section.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (523) rosemarywheel (Jul 14, 2021 at 19:08)

@georgiamtbiker: F**k yeah, smart move.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (524) flattired (Jul 15, 2021 at 7:19)

@BenTheSwabian: It's great that more people are outside. If it's getting too busy, try, whenever possible, going out in the early mornings or evenings, week days, cold days, etc. Try and not to judge who deserves or not to be there.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (525) chezotron (Jul 15, 2021 at 7:57)

@person-named-john: Sometimes it's the adventure, right? Seems everybody wants certainty anymore. This is why fast food, Starf*cks and Outside+ reign supreme.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (526) DylanH93 FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 12:02)

@georgiamtbiker: thank you!!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (527) pwn1 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:19)

TLDR: "While our long term business model will evolve, a significant portion of our content will remain free"

That's all folks.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (528) stumphumper92 (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:44)

I'll bet commenting will require a subscription - which is why many of us come here in the first place

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (529) SHREDWORX FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:04)

They'll make an App and it'll be for free BUT comments can only be accessed with a paid subscription. Now,... the question is:

How much is the PB Comment section worth to the users?!?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (530) mikelevy Mod (Jul 15, 2021 at 15:17) (Below Threshold)

@SHREDWORX: all the jumping to conclusions.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (531) acdownhill (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:31)

Ain't that ironic after last weeks podcast with RC talking about how the value of Pinkbike is that it is "owned" by the users. All in all I think this will be the beginning of the end for Pinkbike being different than other websites in any appreciable way. All the actual interesting content will be hidden behind paywalls, and all that will be left is souless "tests" (aka ads).

really makes me almost wonder why I paid for trailforks, or bought merch from PB in the past year. and I will certainly be reevaluating that going forward. The fact that I knew my money was going towards supporting the editors and staff of a website/service I used frequently made me happy...now its just going to be a tiny contribution to the Outside coffers. I grew in Calgary, surrounded by the very people who made this website as idols, and have been a part of this website from the very early days. Looks like its back to scouring NSMB for actual content with some heart.

I'll try to be hopeful. but experience tells me otherwise.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (532) mammal (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:13)

Couldn't have said it better myself. Having ties in Calgary and BC, and starting mtb'ing right when they launched, I've felt I was a part of PB since the beginning. It's changed over the years, but the community vibe didn't leave, it wasn't owed by the "overseer", and that was obvious in most of the decisions made. That feeling is officially dead. And yeah, great point about PB merch... Who the F wants a corperate website Tshirt or hat?

I also don't buy the "we need to make sure our employees are taken care of" stuff. They were obviously doing just fine over the past few years, and I highly doubt this was a decision that most staff was pleased with.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (533) acdownhill (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:38)

@mammal: it really was what set them apart from the rest, there really isn't many websites that had the community like PB did. What they did for our local riding scenes was incredible, I think a LOT of BC and AB shops can thank them for getting so many kids stoked on the sport. I remember being a grom at the skatepark and downtown Calgary watching these crazy dudes trying to bunnyhop their 50lb bikes onto C-train platforms and being so excited. then being handed a pinkbike sticker from Radek himself...by that night I was a user on the forums (even though i was probably too young to be unsupervised on the internet). and Begged my parents to help me get a Specialized p2 to upgrade from my Bargain finder (god im dating myself) BMX

I'd be lying if this whole thing didn't hurt a bit. Over the years we were "promised" by PB they would not sell their soul to some conglomerate....and here we are. Its not that I don't understand why they chose the road they have, and good on Radek for essentially living the dream "make a company so big you get bought out" ....but just sad times.

Anyone know how to remove silk screening from t-shirts? I like some of my shirts images, but I am not about to advertise for Outside to make more money.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (534) BenTheSwabian (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:17)

My thoughts exactly. Listened to that podcast just yesterday and opened up PB today to see this.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (535) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 0:12)

Makes Richard Cunningham look like a liar or a damn fool.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (536) RichardCunningham (Jul 15, 2021 at 11:52)

@suspended-flesh: I first learned about the sale of PB on this post as well. Still thinking it through...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (537) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 12:00)

@RichardCunningham: Then I respectfully retract my damn fool remark.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (538) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 12:40)

@RichardCunningham: ....and to clarify, I retract my OWN damn fool remark and am not calling you a liar. Cheers!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (539) acdownhill (Jul 15, 2021 at 14:20)

@RichardCunningham its not your fault your a MTB oracle! you made great points and the timing of it could not have been more fitting unfortunately. too bad Radek didn't listen to it before finalizing the sale...might ahve made him have second thoughts about it.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (540) mrpfp FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:03)

I want my survey answers back

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (541) mi-bike (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:31)

From now on the poll option to just see the answers will be premium content.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (542) johnnyboy11000 (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:00)

I did wonder who was going to benefit from all that targeted consumer research. Now we know

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (543) friendlyfoe (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:09)

hilarious

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (544) gmiller720 (Jul 15, 2021 at 8:28)

Lol I actually felt kind of cheated about that. I wasn’t answering that survey for Outside.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (545) njcbps (Jul 16, 2021 at 21:27)

@johnnyboy11000: I'm not enthused to know that either, and like others wouldn't have offered my free information to them.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (546) hi-dr-nick FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:39)

f*ck outside, literally one of the biggest factors in overcrowding as far as tourism industries are concerned

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (547) mtnallen (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:18)

YES, THIS. I'm not a grumpy person, but I have a deep DEEP old-man-grumpiness toward Outside for all their "Top 10 Secret Trails You Should Go Ride Right Now" style articles.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (548) person-named-john (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:27)

"In partnership with Gaia, we intend to map every trail in America, and eventually the world, so that Outside+ members can ride, hike, run, and ski with greater confidence and safety." This certainly doesn't help.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (549) zede (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:57)

Yeah if you have ever had the displeasure of reading a "best 20xx ski" review from outside, it's very clear how they work.

"Our testers have spent x days in [insert name of a huge mainstream resort, a smaller and lesser known very good resort and a popular touring zone] testing this ski.(Random midwidth ski) will allow beginners and experienced skiers to slay the slopes and the powder with confidence in and out of the resorts."

So now you will read something about the best bike of 2024 (specialized something) that was tested in whistler, and on a some rather secret trail in WA or CA and that performs very well for XC, trail and DH and that is perfectly suitable for beginners and experienced riders.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (550) mtnallen (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:57)

@person-named-john: This is terrible. I have a problem with a company that brands itself as an environmental leader yet pushes over-tourism for their own profit.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (551) Sharonb (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:41)

Their reviews are terrible. A list of where not to go.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (552) Hyakian (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:32)

@sarahallen: their cognitive dissonance is showing

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (553) raian-laiks-tu-go-flaian (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:38)

@zede: deer lord this perfectly worded summary of Outside made me gag

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (554) whambat (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:56)

@sarahallen: yup, their best “towns to live in” or best “towns to retire in” have fvcked cool towns for ages. It was always the mark of death for any place cool.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (555) Stoaks (Jul 15, 2021 at 4:41)

@ryd-or-die: I must know more of this "deer lord" lol

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (556) raian-laiks-tu-go-flaian (Jul 15, 2021 at 7:44)

@Stoaks: with the new low price Outside+ subscription we offer you will know the deer lord intimately

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (557) jpmccrash (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:19)

Gross. There goes the cool vibe, now we go corporate and as a brand, Outside sucks.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (558) atrokz (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:31)

PB lost its cool over a decade ago.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (559) TheLoamDeranger (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:56)

@atrokz: Levy is cool, Kaz seems alright. That's all I've got to say.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (560) monkeynaut (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:35)

Self-centered concerns about my enjoyment of the site aside, it is important to really call out that ownership of PB is now in the hands of a US-based, venture capital-backed media house. While I'm sure there is no shortage of crappy employers in Canada it is hard to overstate to the PB crew how much a company like Outside IS NOT YOUR ALLY OR YOUR FRIEND.Your value to Outside will still be measured in page impressions, engagement, comments garnered, and word count, but the people doing the measuring are looking at the value with a more dispassionate eye than the current bosses. You've become significantly more expendable, but they still need your expertise to prop up the the authenticity they purchased. Please sell that expertise as dearly as possible. Be as ruthlessly corporate in your advocacy for yourself as they will be in justifying their own decisions.Finally, please, don't ever, ever let any of your current staff get demoted from employee to contract status. This is America, and you know damn well they're going to try it. Godspeed and good luck.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (561) Adamrideshisbike (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:12)

If they have any sense, they will be calling all of their industry contacts to look for a soft landing.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (562) AndrewHornor (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:32)

One has to wonder if the wave of recent hires, including ones from overseas, knew this was coming. Man, would I EVER be pissed if I moved to a different continent for a dream job and then the employer changed ownership within a month and now I get to be part of a huge conglomerate. Or maybe that level of potential compensation is what lured them? (I have no idea what I'm talking about, but it sure is juicy to speculate)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (563) 87vr6 (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:43)

This should be at the top of the comment section for this article.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (564) owl-X FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 20:59)

@87vr6: agree.

The point about the money being based on the USA is huge. The last thing these guys want is “controversial “ comments sections. Nice knowing y’all.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (565) sino428 (Jul 15, 2021 at 8:17)

I think we also need to make the distinction here between a Venture Capital Company and a Private Equity company. I've seen some comments here that suggest people think they are the same thing. Truth is they operate on a very different model.

Private Equity or Buyout firms are the ones that often really run a company into the ground. These firms buy existing companies, usually struggling ones, and often bleed them dry. These are the ones where you see the extreme cost cutting, excess debt, etc.

Venture Capital on the other hand is growth oriented. These investors are looking to invest in something small and grow it. In this case its a media company that's growing by acquisitions. The general VC model would suggest that there will be alot of investment up front, and not much worry about actual profit for right now as they can just burn through the VC cash. They will almost be exclusively focused on increasing users and page views as that growth is what will drive the increase in company valuation (which is a VC's main focus).

So in the near term I don't see a total disaster in terms of layoffs, restructuring, etc. It will probably be just fine for the employees in the short terms. Its a few years down the road when it comes time for an exit strategy that may be the problem. VC's are not indefinite and they will look to either sell the company or take it public at some point. That's just the way it works. VC investment is temporary and there is always an exit plan, whether it be acquisition, IPO, or just straight pulling the plug if the business sucks.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (566) dhx42 (Jul 16, 2021 at 7:22)

@sino428: Sorry but I don't think you understand what PE is. PE owns the majority of business in the US... Hence the company isn't publicly owned/traded. PE takes on many shapes and sizes. Sometimes its a family business that owns a few restaurants or small businesses. Sometimes they own a portfolio of small and medium size businesses across a variety of sectors. Sometimes they make early stage investments (i.e. VC). Sometimes its a more of an LBO firm... It's all PE and they ALL use their capital to borrow money to buy/invest businesses they own. It's financially irresponsible not to with the current tax structure and interest rates, which is a whole other issue.

I get that people have bad experiences with some PE backed businesses. I have to. Ownership screws up and makes poor choices like all of us do from time to time. However, it's not reasonable to say that the dominate capital structure of US companies "really run a company into the ground." On the whole most shops do a good job for the business and provide them capital and expertise to grow which is why they are able to raise trillions of dollars to buy companies. The couldn't raise this amount of money consistently if they "bleed them dry" and generate modest returns... These investors want 4X/5X returns, at a minimum, and that simply doesn't happen if the company isn't successful by a broad number of metrics.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (567) sino428 (Jul 16, 2021 at 9:44)

@dhx42: No I understand just fine. You are mixing everything and calling it private equity, which is technically correct, but it practical everyday use, the term PE generally means buyout/growth equity firms. People are not referring to VC firms when they say "Private Equity".

I have plenty of experience with both VC and tradition PE/LBO firms. 4-5x returns at a minimum? Not realistic. Looking at the last 25 years returns in the range of 2-2.5x would get a US PE firm into the top quartile (depending on vintage year). With fees & things like dividend recaps, many firms can easily suck a 2x return out of an investment while running it into the ground.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (568) sino428 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:55)

"Karl and Radek are involved in senior leadership positions"

This generally means as the owners they were given some cushy well paid job for the time being in exchange for some kind of non-compete clause for a few years. Their influence over Pinkbike will slowly fade over the course of a few years after which they will quietly move on.

And for the record I say good for them. If they were able to cash out and can now move on with some big money in the bank I say go for it and thanks for what you built. They don't owe us anything.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (569) conoat (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:08)

known as golden handcuffs in the tech world. it's 100% what happened here.

also, all the key people (Brian, Kaz, Levy, et. al.) also got a similar, yet smaller deal to stay for a certain amount of time. they tie it to stock grants and their vesting schedule.

good on all those that hit paydirt, but RIP what we know as PB.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (570) dhx42 (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:07)

Did you ever think Karl and Radek may want to move on and do something else? Or maybe they no longer want to manage the day to day operation.

This started as a passion project so I am sure they want the want to ensure the transition goes smoothly and PB to be successful longterm...

FWIW most sales are actually successful and work. Sure, we will see what happens here, but I bet it will be good for PB in the long-run.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (571) sino428 (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:54)

@dhx42: I'm not sure I'd say most sales are succesful. There are plenty that fail and deals in the print/online media space have been especially prone to failure over the last few years. Also "successful" canh ave different meanings. This deal could be successful for Outside and add traffic to their site and make them money, but at the same time turn Pinkbike into something that its core readers no longer have any interest in.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (572) dhx42 (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:47)

@sino428: The deals that go wrong get the most press. There are a lot of transactions that occur that you never know about and the companies are very successful post change - know one really notices there was a change. I hear you on the "definition" of success but any good PE shop would tell you that success comes from ensuring your two key stakeholders - employees and costumers see increased value and scope. Without that the business doesn't really grow and benefit the last stakeholders - ownership... People citing other metrics as you mention are simply rationalizing a bad deal...

People wouldn't buy businesses if the process wasn't successful the majority of the time. Sometimes buyers get it wrong, hire the wrong people, make mistakes, etc. but, for the most part, they are able to steer things in the right direction that benefits the businesses customer base (otherwise the business wouldn't be successful). I am not saying Outside couldn't royally screw this up. Pinkbike is highly sensitive with a broad/influential userbase and multiple stakeholders where you need to balance both bike and internet culture... it's definitely higher degree of difficulty than most transactions.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (573) ridingofthebikes (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:16)

legit

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (574) friendlyfoe (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:11)

Most reasonable comments I've ever read on PB. Well said.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (575) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 0:17)

They are just Roskopping. They earned it. It looks like Santa Cruz bikes survived, but they have a real product. Not optimistic for PB.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (576) supersopp (Jul 15, 2021 at 4:21)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (577) MtbSince84 (Jul 15, 2021 at 15:20)

@suspended-flesh: Let's just hope Waystar Royco doesn't send in Tom Wambsgans to cut the fat.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (578) spoochypants (Jul 16, 2021 at 6:13)

Generally completely agree. But. Trailforks. They owe the people and organizations that invested the time and effort to make that platform something of any value. In a big way.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (579) Hyakian (Jul 16, 2021 at 16:34)

@sino428 Concur, well said.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (580) TheOriginalTwoTone (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:17)

And it begins:
"...a significant portion of our content will remain free."

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (581) NateMob (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:13)

Another Pay Site, cool.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (582) sino428 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:47)

Honestly if this post had just been Pinkbike saying they were going to start charging a subscription fee for some content I would not even care. The digital media/advertising landscape has changed alot and many sites have had to do this. I would understand and maybe even buy the subscription it it was reasonable.

The worry for me is the selling out to a big conglomerate. These type of things ever seem to end well. When some big brand tries to combine a bunch of unrelated sh*t under one "umbrella" it usually turns into a disaster. When I come to PB its for mountain bike content, thats it. I don't want "collaborations with other brands and sports" All you end up with is watered down garbage.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (583) skierdud89 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:28)

@sino428: you do realize there's always been a pay subscription option right? And at a very reasonable price.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (584) succulentsausage FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:33)

If the product is free, you are the product.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (585) freeturns (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:05)

@piratetrails: Now you can pay to be the product!!!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (586) buk50 (Oct 13, 2021 at 15:47)

well they killed the PB

- List more than 20 buysell items at any time. Up to 500 items.
- Add more than 50 buysell items to wishlist. Up to 500 items.
- Become a beta tester and see features of pinkbike as they are developed.
- Additional Photo view features like up to 126 photos per page
Trailforks Pro membership$35.99Details
Get Trailforks PRO membership for free as part of Outside+.
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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (587) Torbo24 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:45)

Really disappointing. Nothing against Outside, but these big media companies that own so many different publications is definitely bad for journalism as a whole. It can really stifle differing opinions, and it turns each publication into just another revenue stream.I think Pinkbike's independence is one of the things that has made it a major player in the MTB world. I really hope that pb doesnt lose that certain something that made it what it is. Also very disappointed about the subscription model. I understand that money needs to come in for the content to happen. However, i think equal access to information is hugely important in all aspects of society. I think that however you need to monetize it, ok i get it, but i think that whatever is posted should be available to everyone. Or perhaps it should be a private publication, and everyone should pay. In which case, the product will need to be worth the money.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (588) TheMountainViking (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:49)

Pinkbike has been eating all the sh*t the industry could feed it over the last few years though, try and find a divergent opinion on E bikes or carbon being published here, I dare you.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (589) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 0:22)

@TheMountainViking: At least they let us filter it out. I haven't heard a peep about E-bikes here other than from a couple well-known Electric Trolls....

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (590) mwvfu (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:12)

This is far outside of what I was expecting.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (591) BrianColes (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:18)

And now for the Beta version of Pinkbike. Paywall!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (592) NRZ (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:18)

Was thinking about a Peloton ride but may celebrate by going outside for a spin.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (593) VtVolk (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:17)

If anyone tells me how to get rock hard abs, I'm punching my computer

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (594) TheBearDen FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:37)

Every two weeks Jason Statham will be on the front page talking about his early life as an Olympic diver and just below that will be his 10 key steps to shoulders that rock.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (595) johnny2shoes FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:04)

FIVE ways to nail that road gap in time for summerHere's The One Thing That Made Bunnyhopping Easier Than Just Riding Along

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (596) johnny2shoes FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:05)

FIVE ways to nail that road gap in time for SummerHere's The One Thing That Made Bunnyhopping Easier Than Just Riding Along

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (597) ryanlabar FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:17)

Pretty sure that's Men's Journal's area of expertise. I'm thankful to Outside for giving basically every member of Bike magazine's staff a position when AMI decided to use the Adventure Sports Network (the group of magazines that Bike was part of) as a tax write-off.

Also planks and v-sits are how you get those abs you're after. ;-)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (598) premiumfrye (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:47)

Best comment right here.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (599) Gatoqueso1 (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:23)

@TheBearDen: Jason Statham was an Olympic diver???? No Way!!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (600) TheBearDen FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:12)

@Gatoqueso1: sorry my bad. Only made it to the commonwealth games.... my information is sometimes good, sometimes sh*t. lol

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (601) Gatoqueso1 (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:15)

@TheBearDen: I'm just going to continue believing that this Jason Statham trivia is actually true, and tell everyone that will listen. Not only was he an Olympic diver, he took a silver medal in the '88 Games in Seoul.
HA HA

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (602) caltife (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:47)

..... and then Disney buys the Outside group, imagine all the cool crossover potential:

"Singlespeederbike adventures in Endor"
"Spiderman vs Assegai: Which grips better?"
"The circle of life: 27.5 is back in fashion!"
"Moirnsters Inc"

See? Media hom*ogenisation isn't so bad.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (603) doublej-cville FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:11)

Brilliant.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (604) SketchyD (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:55)

Top 10 reasons why Bentonville is the MTB Disneyland

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (605) PeterWojnar (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:02)

Thanks for a good run, Radek and Carl. Congrats on selling out, it’s literally the dream! I’m nervous what this means for Pinkbike—I remember conversations just a few years ago weighing heavily on how Pinkbike (and Trailforks, lol) would always be free to the end-user; how the goal of Pinkbike was to create new mountain bikers and fans of mountain biking in the most accessible way. It’s difficult to believe that this can continue to be Pinkbike’s goal under Outside—but I understand that things change, and I know there’s a lot of people at PB who are going to work really hard to keep the ship on track. I’m also excited to see what positive things come with deeper pockets- it’s a double edged sword, and it can’t be all bad.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (606) dmackyaheard FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:35)

Mixed feelings here. Outside saved Bike Mag in the form of Beta. I really enjoyed Bible of Bikes, and their very methodical testing and round table discussion. I feel Beta is still trying to find its speed, but is making good progress. I think all in all, Outside was good for Beta. I pay for Beta, Trailforks, and now Strava. It isn't much for me, but 10 years ago I may not have been able to afford that along with all of other life's bills. I am interested to see what becomes of Pinkbike, and hope it doesn't lose its charm. Pinkbike almost feels to me like Topgear. The bike stuff is awesome, but the shenanigan's and chemistry the staff have is what keeps bringing me back. Good luck PB team, I know this wont change your dynamic, and I am sure you will still keep pumping out the goods.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (607) brianpark FL Editor (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:40) (Below Threshold)

Thank you! The whole Pinkbike editorial team is along for the ride and I plan on building on that chemistry. I know we'll still be talking smack in the podcast, being tech dorks, and having fun at Field Test. (we're up in Sun Peaks right now for summer Field Test)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (608) dmackyaheard FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:45)

@brianpark: That's awesome! The podcast is pretty amazing, and keeps getting better. I always love the field test's, and am excited to see what you have for the next one. Thanks for responding Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (609)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (610) dennis72 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:11)

If I add up all subscriptions, for things like news, trails, music, movies, communication, it's slowly becoming a serious amount per month. For me personally I can afford it but I guess a lot of (young) people or people in poorer countries can not. Furthermore I like to read several reviews on a product. That's why a like(d) Pinkbike and the like. Luckily there's still a lot of free content...........for now.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (611) Peally (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:19)

@dennis72: Why I don't pay for services in general. 800 services all costing $2/month adds up and none of them add enough to my life where I wouldn't rather just have the $2.

I'm almost purely down to rent, internet, and basic mechanical utilities for monthly bills and it's amazingly convenient. If I get bored, I go outside and ride bikes instead of hopping on Netflix or whatever to rot my brain for $8.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (612) brookscurran (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:42)

Pocket Outdoor Media started the title Beta with the former Bike Mag staff... and then this February POM bought Outside Integrated Media and rebranded it all to the name Outside - highly confusing but I guess POM essentially saved Bike Mag and Outside haha. Hopefully they can all settle into their own and thrive under the new title, it's sad to see all these titles start to lose their soul.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (613) mi-bike (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:42)

@Peally: we'll talk after you buy a house (with cash) and type your PB comments using free wifi in the library.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (614) stevemokan (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:46)

I'm not so sure I'd say Beta is making good progress.... it's almost exactly like Bike Mag, but now they hide 50% of their content behind a paywall and don't have much of anything that's new other than tired product reviews. I paid for the subscription too, but only because it was 75% off. I don't think they'd make it if they weren't propped up by Outside's funding.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (615) jimmythehat (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:16)

Way to ruin this tread with some positivity!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (616) succulentsausage FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:30)

Everyone's complaining about paying for Trailforks and now this, but from a product standpoint Trailforks needs some improvement, and now they have the company behind them to invest in it. I know this will trigger a lot of you cool cats and boomers here, but Trailforks could literally be a trail/bike based social media platform. MTB seems like an afterthought to Strava so it's ripe for the taking. To the naysayers, I'd rather argue with you guys on PB/Trailforks comments than on FB comments any day of the week, ya filthy animals.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (617) leviatanouroboro (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:36)

Damn bro. Kool Aid mustache is showing...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (618) ReformedRoadie (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:38)

@Peally: $8 a month is waaaaayyy cheaper than meth. Or so I hear.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (619) blackpudding FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:23)

@brianpark: I hope you're still sponsored by Sierra Nevada, you'll be needing a few beers after this feedback.
Hope you pleasantly surprise us all...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (620) TheR FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:32)

There will be no Beta in 6 months. It shall be folded into Pinkbike, which is far more successful.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (621) TheR FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:33)

@brianpark: Field tests are among the first things to go behind a paywall, right?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (622) FMHUM (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:31)

Ehhh, I mean I'll keep reading/watching and see how it shakes out of course, but I liked the current set up and I'm generally skeptical of conglomerating all media under one umbrella. We've seen this many, many times before and it usually doesn't end well. Outside wasn't even Outside until they acquired Outside Mag earlier this year and re-branded into whatever buzzword type media conglomerate they are marketing themselves as now. I can see more and more stuff moving to their paid subscription model over the near term, then Outside selling their entire portfolio to some bigger capital firm, then in a few years, that capital firm will do what they always do which is not innovate and just strip all the parts of the portfolio and shut down half of the IP it now owns.

  • 10 0

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (623) sino428 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:48)

Unfortunately you aren't wrong. That's how it usually seems to go in these type of deals.

  • 56 0

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (624) Bobadeebob (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:20)

I cant really see how this would be a good thing

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (625) Bobadeebob (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:28)

Does this mean you now have the money to fund Ben Cathro's downhill team? If not then I really cant see how this would be a good thing

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (626) ben-cathro FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:35)

@Bobadeebob: ☜(゚ヮ゚☜) ayyyyyyy

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (627) brianpark FL Editor (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:33) (Below Threshold)

@Bobadeebob: yep, taking on bigger projects like that is the goal!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (628) Bobadeebob (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:37)

@brianpark: ok fine theres ONE good thing. But I'm still in a right bad mood. If you send me icecream I might start to cheer up. But I'm not promising anything.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (629) Sweatypants FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 16:24)

@Bobadeebob: I'd seriously rather just put $100 in a f*cking envelope and send it to Ben myself. But instead now he gets to have outside input to his content and 60 cents on the dollar to make it so somebody else can pad their portfolio.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (630) wncgravity (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:54)

Outside is yuppie bullsh*t for people who ride 10k ebikes in Patagonia vests. I predict a paywall to some site features within a year.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (631) TheLoamDeranger (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:10)

You've got more money/credit than you know what to do with! Consoom more outdoor gear! It's trendy!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (632) i-like-toytles (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:42)

This is the first time I've seen all of the PB commenters agree on something.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (633) Giddyhitch (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:18)

pick a corporate owner and be a dick about it

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (634) bulletbassman FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:54)

Going to cancel my trailforks subscription I think. I was okay with the idea of paying to help the app grow but I don’t want to pay to help out some venture capitalists not invest in the app they just bought for a bunch of money.

Good for you hradek. But I have no interest in paying for anything from outside.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (635) FMHUM (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:19)

Yeah, the trailforks thing kind of grinds my gears. Relied on community to pay and build it, then they sold it to a bunch of venture capitalists based on the work the community did to grow it...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (636) Oreithya (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:03)

For me it's because I'm already paying for Gaia. Why should I pay the same company twice for a mapping app?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (637) georgiamtbiker (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:08)

^This. I never paid for it, but I did leave mu auto upload turned on. Today I turned off my auto upload.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (638) Themissinglink83 (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:38)

@georgiamtbiker: how many times are you going to post this?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (639) georgiamtbiker (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:12)

@Themissinglink83: I believe three is the number. Does that bother you?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (640) hotpotato (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:14)

"It changes gradually, then all at once"

If you are still taking free product and promotion from the industry, don't put it behind a paywall. You can't have it both ways.

The baller move here: Tell the industry to stuff it. Buy everything at retail. Throw the shiytt stuff to the wolves and only praise the truly great products. Get your boosted ad revenue from tangential sources (ford, subaru, clif bar, beats, whatever).

I'd pay to see that.

It has to be either FREE or UNFILTERED. It can't be neither.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (641) MegaStoke (Jul 14, 2021 at 20:03)

Sounds a bit like Blister Gear Review. They're happy to call sh*t out as sh*t.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (642) sofarider1 (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:34)

Great...... I had to stop following Outside Mag on socials due to their never ending political and virtue signaling stories and articles.PINKBIKE PLEASE KEEP POLITICS AND SOCIAL ISSUES OUT OF YOUR ARTICLES AND STORIES !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (643) nope1 (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:41)

go woke go broke

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (644) emiliooo35 (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:20)

I second this

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (645) DylanH93 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:52)

f*ck, you guys are scaring me. One of the biggest things I liked about pinkbike was the escape from politics and social justice sh*t. That stuff is already absolutely everywhere. Combining politics and sports is the worst idea ever.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (646) Boardlife69 (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:40)

So which pronoun is a Stumpjumper anyway?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (647) netposer (Jul 15, 2021 at 4:01)

It's coming and it will absolutely ruin Pinkbike. Levy will get fired within the first 6 months.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (648) Stihlgoin (Jul 15, 2021 at 20:21)

@Boardlife69: depends if it’s an Evo or not. Short Travel was canceled. Very insensitive descriptor.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (649) timschafer (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:57)

The Pinkbike staff are drinking the Outside Coolaid thinking readers will keep reading. A year from now readership will be down 90% and 3/4 of the staff will be gone. Good luck!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (650) goldfly (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:25)

As bad as this probably will be for the readers, it will probably be worse for the employees. Corporate acquisitions are almost never a net benefit to the employees of the acquired company (outside of the select few that get the sale money). Best of luck to everyone currently employed at PB.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (651) goldsbar (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:52)

"Don't worry, we didn't just buy a website, we bought the employees and our plan is to keep you all."

3 months later, "We could never have anticipated [XYZ]. We'll be consolidating offices into our main location. Good luck in your future endeavors."

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (652) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 0:28)

@goldsbar: 100%

  • 42 0

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (653) texag (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:45)

Will outside "re-educate" the PB staff so they can no-so-subtly talk down to me while also being a shill for gucci gear that won't last a season?

Alternate take: No matter how hard I try to avoid the insufferable Wes Siler, he finds me.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (654) Rudy2455 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:55)

"...bringing all these brands together into one organization is to build a more personalized experience..."

I'm calling bullsh*t on this one. Giant conglomerations have never made more personalized experiences.

But if I'm trying to stay optimistic, if Pinkbike becomes a crappy paid service this would open up the market for a lot more small, cool and independent bike websites to become successful. Right now I think they struggle a lot.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (655) strangemeadowlark (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:35)

Yup, would have been accurate if they said a more personalized advertising experience. Or more personalized pitches to buy services from the rest of the conglomerate. Whoops I mean synergies.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (656) Ensminger FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:01)

What sprinter van,Fanny pack, and yeti combo, looks raddest driving up Boulder canyon article coming soon. Does Levy’s absence perhaps spell an orphan site…..crayolabike?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (657) mikelevy Mod (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:49)

I'm not going anywhere, just took some time away from the internet Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (658)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (659) Ensminger FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:02)

Glad to hear it. A silver, err, grim lining @mikelevy

  • 44 0

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (660) Adamrideshisbike (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:21)

Vital MTB's membership will skyrocket!

  • 16 1

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (661) nskerb (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:43)

OG's will be recognized by having pre 2021 join dates

  • 19 0

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (662) AndrewHornor (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:46)

@nskerb: can we buy cred by posting our early PB join date screenshots? Asking for 10,000 friends

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (663) Stinky-Dee (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:25)

I just went there their site is full of spam! Not even close to pb

  • 14 1

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (664) TheMountainViking (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:51)

NSMB is the one my dudes

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (665) AndrewHornor (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:12)

@TheMountainViking: NSMB is too awesome to be fully mainstream. An article about mixed wheel size experimentation that takes a full 14 minutes to read? An article about a high pivot bike from 2007? It's pure gold, but the path to pageviews is actually How To Bike.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (666) TheMountainViking (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:06)

@AndrewHornor: The fact that it's too 'ardcore to really get huge is why I like it haha. Kind of forgot they had a forum till now, tally ho gentlemen, it has been emotional.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (667) jmhills FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:00)

@Stinky-Dee: They run a lot of ads but their forums are solid, their local race coverage is there, and it is free...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (669) allsk8sno FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:42)

This is indeed sad news.

We probably all should have seen the writing on the wall when trailforks did it, I have little doubt it will turn into standard media platform site, including pay wall.

I stopped using trailforks because of it, and I will end up off pinkbike if it does in fact happen.

The little guy always gets it in major buyout/ups.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (670) TerrapinBen FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:03)

ebikes and paywalls.

plug in, turn on, and consume media. who even wants to ride bikes anymore when you can pretend to do it by paying to read about it on the internet!?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (671) huginnsson FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:02)

@TerrapinBen: the future is looking more and more like WALL-E

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (672) cod51 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:25)

@TerrapinBen: They should make the e-bike content premium content, problem solved.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (673) kirklanddownhill FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:09)

So long, Pinkbike. Thanks for the ride. If we are all wrong, which I sincerely hope, bravo. We’ve seen what outside does to media outlets- the top 5 SUP for beginner articles, ad after ad of bullsh*t products, and some of the worst reviews and articles in the publication world.

I can’t help but think of RC’s last podcast with Mike Levy, where he talked about taking a stand for not letting a brand in a product shoot out for not meeting a deadline, which he not only nearly lost his job from, but led to his pieces being edited.

Everyone wants a pay day, I get that. But, I can’t help to think that the end times are now. The glory days of PinkBike are in the past. The flash of money is always so appealing, until we realize how amazing the freedom of an independent publication/ business/ organization is. Who knows, maybe the end of pinkbike was coming anyway, it could of been uncle bezos instead.

I guess I’ll get my news and content from vital and tiktok now.

So long, friend. I’ll miss you.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (674) Vudu74 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:27)

Remember when 5-10's were good then Adidas bought them...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (675) bravefart (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:30)

Exactly

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (676) JimmyC1212 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:02)

I gradually abandoned Outside Magazine when the content focus shifted towards social issues and marketing high end clothing. I didn’t think that I had a problem with articles focusing on social issues within the context of outdoor recreation, and I did appreciate them at times, but I did grow weary of the content and moved on. I will give the new PinkBike a chance but I will move on if the content focus shifts and/or if the subscription model is implemented.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (677) JohanG (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:12)

@JimmyC1212 Pinkbike's past attempts to tackle social issues were laughable and sad. I have no doubt they will continue though.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (678) blackthorne (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:38)

Similar thing happened with the Radavist content last year, shifted from cool bikes to pushing a social justice agenda. Comments became policed by virtue signallers and so dwindled to useless fluffy ‘I love this’ types of comments.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (679) DylanH93 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:35)

Please God I hope that's not the case. I come to pinkbike to escape all the modern day political bs. Last thing many would want is more of that junk pushed in our faces when it's literally everywhere these days. Sports and politics need to stay 100% separated.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (680) kingtut87 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:12)

@DylanH93: the way South Africa was isolated in the sporting world during apartheid was a major influence in ending it. Sports and politics are more deeply linked than you may think and the power sport and those who participate have shouldn't be unacknowledged.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (681) Boardlife69 (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:33)

This is one reason I left PB, and stopped watching all sports because of all the gawddamned social and political B.S that has NOTHING to do with said sport. Unless it actually had a direct impact, like trail access for example. Sport used to be a getaway, not anymore.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (682) TheR FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:50)

@JohanG: continue? No it will quadruple. This merger all but guarantees it.

  • 3 6

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (683) TheR FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:53)

@kingtut87: are you fishing for a job at Outside or somethin’?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (684) kingtut87 FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 9:49)

@TheR: No, I'm a crap writer and a bike journo salary wont feed my gear habit.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (685) mattdavis458 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:26)

I sure hope this isn't like Adidas buying 5.10 shoes......................we all know how that has worked out.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (686) JDFF FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:54)

First thing that came to my mind also.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (687) elchivoloco (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:55)

Looking forward to the new "Best Cologne for Enduro Riders" and "SPD Loafers" field tests

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (688) brianpark FL Editor (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:01)

Levy's been keen to do those anyway.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (689) raian-laiks-tu-go-flaian (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:15)

@brianpark: like yes, this joke made me laugh, but I still hate it

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (690) Wiggy017 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:23)

Paywalls incoming:
"But the Pinkbike buy adds considerable readership and revenue in the cycling space, and thus adds momentum to the company's Outside+ membership program. Outside+ offers enthusiasts various bundles of content, services, discounts, and other offerings for an annual fee."

www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2021/07/13/outside-acquires-pinkbike-cycling-tips-and-trailforks

  • 32 0

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (691) FMHUM (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:37)

Like, I don't give a crap about anything else in the Outside portfolio they are touting.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (692) Snfoilhat (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:30)

This BRAIN article is written like straight industry news about two players in cycling media -- and BRAIN itself is owned by the same group! Disclosing a conflict is better than hiding it, but disclosing a conflict doesn't eliminate it. It just passes the onus of consuming the media and also trying to figure out the angles onto the user, which isn't a lot of fun

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (693) njcbps (Jul 15, 2021 at 9:27)

From the link:

"Pinkbike generates more than 700 million annual pageviews, making it by far the largest mountain bike website on the planet; it will be the second-largest traffic source for Outside behind only Outside Online."

Wow O.O I had no idea Pinkbike generated this much traffic ... now I see how lucrative it is to Outside.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (694) rockyflowtbay FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:14)

Can’t tell if this is good or bad.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (695) gravity354 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:16)

Bad if you enjoy free Pinkbike. Subscription seems likely.

  • 4 0

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (696) rockyflowtbay FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:18)

@gravity354: I guess only a matter of time.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (697) Adamrideshisbike (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:21)

Bad if you like an open comment section. No chance they will allow users downvotes to moderate discussion.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (698) jaame (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:28)

@Adamrideshisbike: it’s not 100% open anyway. It could be better. It probably will get worse.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (699) chize (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:26)

It's bad. Go read some reviews (advertorials) on outside, they don't actually give any useful information just tell you how great the products they're being paid to 'review' are.

  • 4 0

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (700) PhillipJ (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:31)

If you've read a couple things from Outside you'd be able to tell.

  • 4 0

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (701) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 0:31)

It's bad. Sorry - that's just what it is.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (702) charliewentoutside FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:40)

Well at least they aren't merging PB and Beta like they did with Climbing/ Rock & Ice? Congrats to the PB team on the acquisition. Can't say I'm thrilled myself as this kind of thing is usually bad news for users in the long term (but I would love to be proved wrong!)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (703) Mazador (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:48)

Not ine the short term at least...
Good question though how Pinkbike & Beta as well as Peloton & Cyclingtips co-exist.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (704) TerrapinBen FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:06)

I mean they are already touting some sort of race between the two, so I would expect further integration and mergers down the line....

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (705) huginnsson FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:43)

@Mazador: agree, seriously this isn't rocket science, bike brands don't sell two different bikes with the exact same specs and different model names.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (706) TheR FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:45)

It’s coming. Beta doesn’t stand a chance.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (707) Niceandy (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:17)

'I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords"

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (708) TerrapinBen FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:49)

I, for one, welcome out new corporate* overlords!

  • 4 0

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (709) JDUBKC (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:32)

@TerrapinBen: Tomato Tamahto

  • 7 0

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (710) Grrtyclt (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:38)

@TerrapinBen: I can't spot the difference

  • 31 0

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (711) TheBearDen FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:36)

Just like when the burger king folks bought up Tim Hortons... Everything will work out great? Right?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (712) mikelevy Mod (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:45)

Please don't bring Tim's into this haha

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (713) pdxjeremy (Jul 14, 2021 at 20:53)

Bk owns Tim's? I didn't know that.
A small part of just died. AGIAN

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (714) TheBearDen FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 6:15)

@mikelevy: hey man. You guys started it. Lol
We were all over here minding our own business... Lol

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (716) lm101020 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:51)

Don't f*ck this up Outside! ....

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (717) theky1e (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:58)

They already did

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (718) Boardlife69 (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:36)

I expect thier "Top 10 Secret Trails You Need To Ride NOW!" articles will actually close said trails.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (719) Km303 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:03)

y'all are gonna sh*t on me for this, but change happens. It sucks, but it happens. Want good content for free? There are probably a bunch of web developers on this site, hire them to build your own site. Go to vital or nsmb. Will this spell the end of pinkbike, the end of this pinkbike, there will be another one, it will be different and there will be a new generation of riders to grow up with that one, say it's the best and then get their chamois in a twist when the next larger conglomerate buys it.

Believe it or not, the world these days is almost entirely about making money, and Karl and Radek made it (at least I hope so!) Good for them, hope the rest of the staff gets a piece of the buyout. Wish I had the balls to build a good idea, but I don't I barely have the guts for a 3 ft drop, let alone pouring my heart, soul, and cash into a risky business venture. We can bitch and moan all we want, but most of us don't have $20mm to drop on a website (I hope they got at least that much), if we did, we could buy it and keep things exactly the way they are. (also, if anyone has $20mm, I have a great idea for a mountain bike website)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (720) mammal (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:06)

Those are good points, but the world hasn't changed that much in the last 20 years, and PB has obviously managed just fine without selling out up to this point.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (721) mikets (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:34)

@mammal: I sure bet you the world has changed for Radek and Karl in 20 years. When they started Pinkbike I'm assuming they were in their 30's? Now they're older, likely have families and saw a good opportunity to cash out and secure some financial freedom for themselves as they near retirement age. Can't blame them for that.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (722) mammal (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:41)

@mikets: It's understandable, but I wouldn't say "you can't blame them for that". It appears that this was a move solely motivated by financial gains for those two, with basically no regard to well being of the product they've grown.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (723) TheLoamDeranger (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:38)

@mammal: and no regard for the employees who will inevitably be juiced like oranges until the last drop before being cycled out. One more step towards abolishing the middle class and feeding even more cash to the "haves".

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (724) rosemarywheel (Jul 14, 2021 at 19:26)

This actually made me feel a little bit better...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (725) liamdubs FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:01)

New articles be like "10 tips for managing the mental health of your trail doggo (BEST PUPPER TIPS!)"

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (726) hatchleader FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:51)

My big concern is that Outside seems to be super North American same as Bike was and Beta seems to be. Never even heard of them over this side of the pond. The global feeling of Pinkbike has always been a selling point for me.

As for the paywall I don't mind paying a price per month to access reviews, features and the video content but I would expect more of it than the site currently dishes out each week. It also needs to be a reasonable price. $100 a year for Outside+ where most of the things offered do not apply outside the US is a joke.

PS: Just don't screw it up...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (727) filwhip FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:42)

Agree.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (728) bishopsmike (Jul 15, 2021 at 4:48)

Honestly the international aspect has been my favourite thing about PB.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (729) bradwalton (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:09)

Congrats Radek and Karl, and the rest of the staff!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (730) leelau (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:38)

Same sentiment from me. Change is inevitable. Congratulations to Radek, to Karl and all with Pinkbike

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (731) jmhills FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:59)

Yeah, enjoy retirement!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (732) JensjaSkeA (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:10)

This makes me so very sad. Outside is totally out of touch with people who actually use the outdoors and are really only about clickbait, selling gear and making money. I will no longer be visiting pinkbike and will be canceling my Trailforks subscription

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (733) Stihlgoin (Jul 15, 2021 at 3:47)

This seems to have flown under the radar in the comments, but atheleteReg is now part of Outside, too. So escaping the I, Borg situation we find ourselves in seems impossible. Enter a race, support (be assimilated into) the Borg. Maybe they’ll buy IMBA next for the ultimate move. The only “plus” to that would be getting a free subscription to the one of the Outside tentacles of one’s choice, like when Dirt Rag was a free bonus for renewing your IMBA membership.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (734) theoskar57 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:01)

Remember when Richard Hammond, Jeremy Clarkson and James May left Top Gear? Remember that Top Gear completely fell apart?

You know it's coming.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (735) connerkuhns (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:30) (Below Threshold)

While Top Gear is not the same as it was, I'd take a Top Gear with Chris Harris at the helm over Clarkson any day.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (736) lewiscraik FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:28) (Below Threshold)

Yes, it was crap for a few years. Now it is better than it was.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (737) ROOTminus1 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:34)

@lewiscraik: Are you saying Pinkbike will pull a Win Vista/ New co*ke/ Win 8 on us? By purposefully tanking the quality over the next 2 years, the VC overlords will sell the name on back to original editing staff at a pittance, who can then resurrect the site back to its former glory to sell off again for another big pay-day?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (738) Burningbird FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:56)

"the rest of our team are all on board" - I'd say the same thing in their position as I polished up my resume and started looking for the exit

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (739) audeo03 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:09)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (740) theedon FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:32)

First climate change, then covid, now this?!? Ugh

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (741) schlayer (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:34)

Its Sad really, There are already desperate guys above setting up onlyfans to sell pics of their feet to pay for air conditioning and PB subscriptions.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (742) DGWW (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:13)

@brianpark How about we get a live AMA with those responsible for the decision ?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (743) brianpark FL Editor (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:30)

Not a bad idea. I think we'll get through the next few days of onboarding and meetings first though. I was thinking we'll have Radek on the podcast to answer people's questions, etc.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (744) lance-19 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:08)

@brianpark: which will coincidentally be the first piece of content hidden behind a paywall Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (745)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (746) ridedigrepeat FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:13)

@brianpark: also how about a blood oath to never monetize buy/sell or the comments section.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (747) zstover (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:43)

@brianpark: welcome to the outdoor family. You now need to wear a patigonia vest, khaki hiking cargo pants, Merino wool socks, and merrells to work every day. Also, all snacks in the vending machines will be replaced with granola bars and various trail mixes.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (748) zstover (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:43)

@lance-19: I'd probably pay for the opportunity to heckle.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (749) TypicalCanadian (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:04)

@brianpark: yeah do it on a podcast so you can conveniently only answer easy questions.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (750) jmhills FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:03)

@brianpark: Oh, I want to spectate! I need to know when so I can buy enough popcorn.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (751) pdxjeremy (Jul 14, 2021 at 20:54)

@brianpark: soooo your going to give me that madonna now right?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (752) Nygaard (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:32)

So long, and thanks for all the fish...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (753) puercoespin (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:35)

RIP Pinkbike - 7/14/21

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (754) Strattoa (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:44)

The spirit will be lost when they muzzle the opinions of the editors. And the appeal of some of the editors (Levy) is that they don't conform well to large corporations.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (755) mikelevy Mod (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:51)

Don't worry, I plan on still forcing my questionable opinions onto everyone haha Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (756)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (757) ss3ltl (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:28)

You will be forcing your questionable opinions on everyone willing to pay $5.99/month for them.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (758) gossman (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:26)

So now we'll see the same 5 articles at the front of the page with a new title each week and a relentless sales pitch embed in the headline?

"top 5 race bikes and WHY YOU NEED ONE!"
"Why you need one these new bikes"
"Eat healthy or eat like Levy"
"Eat healthier, like Levy"
"Best places to travel and worst places to ride"
"Worst places to ride and places to travel"

Just when I thought print dying would help...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (759) kokofosho (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:00)

Now I can finally delete my last social media platform. I figured Pinkbike would be last but damn it hurts.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (760) Stinky-Dee (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:26)

Dittos

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (761) rosemarywheel (Jul 14, 2021 at 19:57)

I never had anything BUT PinkBike. It hurts so very much %100.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (762) cod51 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:00)

Wow, this really sucks. Been on PB for 20 years and I always loved its independence and availability. Subscription services are the literal worst. Always came here to escape that sort of thing. Later on PB.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (763) sino428 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:48)

I wouldnt even care if it was just pinkbike putting in some kind of small fee for the current pinkbike site. But what we will end up with is Pinkbike, package with a whole bunch of other "brands" under one overpriced subscription. We'll end up having to essentially pay for all the other brands we don't give a sh*t about if we want the Pinkbike content.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (764) Cooper227 (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:33)

I think it was just yesterday I was watching a BETA bike review and they started plugging the truck that the bike was leaned against.... and I though, 'man, this is lamest thing'

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (765) NoahColorado FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:14)

Holy cow.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (766) dlstucki (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:06)

do not pass go, do not collect $200...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (767) yabbaDABdo FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:28)

The mikes should bail and start a podcast. That I might pay for as I can listen while I do some training rides…. But outside is not where my money goes. Just hit cancel on Trailforks. That explains rc and mike doing a pinkbike recap

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (768) Paco77 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:39)

"The mikes" really are the faces/voices of PB to most readers now. Those guys should bail and start their own rival site.
(Then in 20 years time they can also sell to Outside, and retire in style).

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (769) mikelevy Mod (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:01)

@yabbaDABdo @Paco77 Bikes and gear are cool, but that stuff is really just a reason for you and me and everyone else to talk about bikes and include some dumb jokes - that isn't going to change. I've been working for PB for a long, long time and I can understand the hesitation I'm reading from everyone in the comments for that reason. I mean, this place is my home as well and everyone in this community is a friend, so I can understand why it's unsettling.

BUT, the future is interesting and we're going to be able to make some very cool content. Also, @mikekazimer and I aren't going anywhere Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (770)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (771) Paco77 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:55)

Let's hope you are right Mike. I guess time will tell!
(bookmarking this page to come back and leave an "I told you so" comment at a later date...)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (772) Stihlgoin (Jul 15, 2021 at 4:03)

@Paco77:
See atheleteReg. Resistance is futile.

#Outside.Borg

Coming to a race near you

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (773) pierceklinke FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 13:51)

www.mikesbikes.com coming soon

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (774) bitterrooter (Jul 15, 2021 at 17:41)

@mikelevy: ok but when is the Mike vs Mike race? Now you should have the budget to make it a video

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (775) bitterrooter (Jul 15, 2021 at 17:43)

I can't wait to watch Mike get crushed

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (776) caseytango (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:27)

Outside is trash .

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (777) novajustin (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:56)

"In partnership with Gaia, we intend to map every trail in America, and eventually the world, so that Outside+ members can ride, hike, run, and ski with greater confidence and safety."

Cool. More hikers and idiots to run into on my favorite trails. Awesome idea PB! Piss off.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (778) DylanH93 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:04)

Plus any secret locals-only trails will now be widely known and subsequently torn down. Fun!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (779) conoat (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:18)

goodbye PB comment section! I have enjoyed the crazy rantings of DCA and the like, along with a smattering of 5G nutcasery.can't wait for the heavy moderation and Vaccine disclaimers on every post!!!!11!1

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (780) bombdabass FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:55)

I dont want to sound cynical about this but I am. I will give it a go but Im not paying...full stop.

In a world where content is freely available elsewhere this is a risky move to say the least. Assuming loyalty lasts with a paywall option will be a tough mountain to climb.

In the mtb world there are examples of the same situation where a successful website (and profit making mag) were bought out. The press release looked virtually identical. The mag was shut down (for no sensible business reason as it was making money) and the website is now a shadow of itself.

Outside the mtb world, there are endless examples with similar press releases where successful businesses are brought within a business group and asset stripped to feed profit and other brands.

If the paywall thing doesn't work and people don't visit the site, it will be highly likely that PB will get asset stripped for the wider group benefit.

The initial reaction here doesnt seem to be great and PB seem to have missed what people value which is original (not sponsored) content that is freely available. Without that, the free-to-play crowd will be headed to vital in a flash.

I cant blame the owners for wanting to cash in on years of hard work. But the future will play out in a rather predictable way from here in.

Sad day.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (781) stevemokan (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:14)

Ugh.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (782) zstover (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:37)

I like money too, it's ok. but don't lie to me and tell me that nothing will change and you're doing it to provide the best content possible.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (783) ammericano (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:14)

congratulations! I just want to be sure you will keep posting the friday fails.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (784) smokingtires (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:15)

a significant portion of our content will remain free :/

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (785) Stinky-Dee (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:19)

Congratulations Radek Burkat and the Pink Bike team you have accomplished what every business owners dream; build a business and sell it reaping the rewards of your hard work. Unfortunately Pink Bike will never be the same. As the sport of cycling has grown and so has its media. Velo News is the example of what Pink Bike will be. Pay for access to mediocre content and so called “unbiased” endorsem*nt of products in infomercial form…. Along with stories that leave you feeling empty, so you come back for more just to keep your device registering the clicks to build up the pay per click revenue.

Think of what has happened to all the forums out there gobbled up by big tech, freedom of expression and speech are all now on FB and now all things bicycle are on Outside. Who would have seen that coming?

Get ready folks to pay for content. You pay for Trail Forks the was build by volunteers and some hard working staff, now no more free stuff for you, we got money to make $$$$.

Cheers!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (786) spaced FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:20)

In theory paywalls allow you not to chase page views and let writers write longer articles since page view ad model means it's better to write 10 crap articles than 1 good one (seriously... we need a different online ad model) but somehow I have my doubts too. First Dirt Magazine was killed now I have fears Pinkbike will suffer and we will all get our news from youtube.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (787) Mattwendling (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:43)

all you need to know is they categorized Pinkbike under "Endurance" along with Running.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (788) ryetoast (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:36)

At least they didn't put it in healthy living next to 'paleo magazine'...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (789) Adamrideshisbike (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:15)

This is bad. Good luck keeping that Pinkbike community vibe we all love.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (790) doytch (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:15)

I'd rather pay money than have my data bottled up and sold (yes I pay for Trailforks), just make sure the value is there.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (791) johnny2shoes FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:36)

what if now your data just includes the fact that you don't mind paying for things?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (792) zede (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:42)

Dont be naive, your data is and will anyways be sold.That's the only way Bezos and all the others like him can fund their safe way to a new planet once this one is too polluted and f*cked up to live in.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (793) excel (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:23)

As a climber, I find Rock and Ice is not garbage and I did not even know it was an Outside brand, so I have hope for Pinkbike.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (794) DylanZ91 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 18:02)

wish i could say the same

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (795) AndrewHornor (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:34)

I gave up PhotoBucket... I can give up PinkBike if I need to.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (796) DannyJB (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:08)

The MTB industry is expensive enough, making Pinkbike a subscription site is only going to add to the problem. Kids aren't going to pay and PB will become a site used by wealthy, older people. Bad move PB.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (797) theoskar57 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:53)

University Student here, if we're barely managing to pay for Amazon Prime/Netflix, we ain't gonna pay for Pinkbike, website will fill with middle aged grumpy men, great!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (798) Baller7756 (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:39) (Below Threshold)

Bad ol wealthy people, bad ol old people. The nerve of them… following societal rules and examples that lead to success.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (799) quesoquesoqueso (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:41)

a site without kids sounds great.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (800) spaced FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:18)

@Baller7756: no one has a problem with them per se but this limits the audience. The sport already seems to cater to people over 35 and I say this as someone who in a few months will be 35.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (801) Baller7756 (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:58)

@spaced: I’m not sure I share the same observations about the average MTB age. If I had to guess, I would say mid-twenties… with a large portion extending into mid-thirties (maybe that means 30 is the average?). I think there are fewer “old” people than any age demographic.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (802) rosemarywheel (Jul 14, 2021 at 19:59)

@quesoquesoqueso: A site WITHOUT grumpy old folks does NOT sound great..

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (803) oldgoat (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:53)

Bye bye Pinkbike and Trailforks. They suckered 1000's of communities to upload their trail data and support their cause. Their cause was clearly altruistic and is now so obvious.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (804) RonSauce (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:31)

Yup, I thought the same thing.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (805) vagabondmedic (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:18)

Here's a philosophical question: is (was) Pinkbike a product or a community? There is all this talk of producing a product and then selling it off, but is that was this site is at its core? For me Pinkbike is about a thriving online community via comments and the buy/sell section. The site serves as the meeting place for this community, and the content seeds discussion and engagement. I had to stop reading the above comments because there were just too many, and I barely noticed any partisan/political bullsh*t because regardless of where we stand on other issues we are united with our love of bikes and this community. Selling the site to Outside was like literally selling the town in which all of us lived (even if some of our neighbors hate one another), and now the new owners have a fiduciary responsibility to f*ck us with taxes. Was the town in financial distress? What was wrong with the ad model? If you wanted to fund a racing team, why didn't you just ask the users and start a crowdfunding campaign? And if you absolutely needed the cash you could've make a paywall model without corporate overlords who don't give a sh*t about the community, at least you would've kept more margins and retained creative control. ...I'm pissed and disappointed along with the rest of the community because we all feel some ownership and this decision seemed to have no regard for the special thing this website actually became. Fingers crossed the PB staff can walk the line between shareholders and the community, but if it all falls apart and some new grassroots "purplebike" or "punkbike" or whatever diaspora site pops up I hope that the new leadership builds it on a co-op model where the community members can hire/fire board members and ultimately vote on big decisions like selling off the town. I bet there could have been a better way...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (806) SketchyD (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:08)

both, it is possible to be both.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (807) ryan83 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:41)

*realizes we all spend too much time on PB...goes and rides bike...life gets better...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (808) wyorider (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:27)

Pinkbike has been beholden to industry heavy hitters for a long time (every website/publication is) but always maintained some measure of integrity. The editors rode bikes harder, and on harder terrain than the average reader and provided honest feedback.

Outside SUUUUUCKs. It’s a magazine that’s specifically targeted at outdoor brand product consumers, not core users of that outdoor gear. The writing is bland and trades in generalities, never doing more than scratching the surface of any given activity/culture.

I hope PB stays free and relevant, but I’m not holding my breath…..

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (809) joshroppo (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:39)

With a lot of mixed feelings, I gotta congratulate Radek. I met him at an OSCON party back in 2012, and it was a fun conversation about the tech of Pinkbike, and how simple they'd kept it. It ain't easy to run a profitable website like Pinkbike, so I'm sure there have been struggles, and grateful for the years of stories the PB team has told and all the race coverage. I'm sure it made great financial sense to sell to Outside, and hard to fault him getting a sweet retirement(away from commenters).

That said, I'm bummed, and probably time to disable auto-renew on trailforks. I don't trust anything Outside produces. I hope PB gets to keep some autonomy, but doubt it will last Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (810)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (811) Connerv6 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:50)

"hard to fault him getting a sweet retirement(away from commenters)."

I heard he used his payout to hire Waki as his personal valet, LOL.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (812) bman33 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:56)

@Connerv6: Dammit....I think you are onto something! May he and Waki make the next grassroots website. haha

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (813) wtroost (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:17)

What happens to all of our locational data? Before the site was Canadian and subject to privacy laws. Now all of the user generated data is in the hands of a giant US corporation.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (814) Svinyard (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:24)

Read what the plan is here if you are curious:
www.adventure-journal.com/2021/02/pocket-outdoor-buys-outside-magazine-other-brands-in-huge-shakeup

"The plan is to allow subscribers to access all of Outside’s (again, the media group) titles with one sign-on process, and, potentially, subscription rate. In theory, for example, one could log-in to Outside’s web portal, then read articles in Backpacker, Beta, or Outside."

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (815) Svinyard (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:32)

For those who didn't read it, Pocket Outdoor bought Outside mag earlier this year. Pocket Outdoor is a "media" company infused by about 150mil$ of silicon valley Venture Capital money. For anyone who doesn't think this doesn't means "paywall" you are ignorant (no offense tho). Its literally their plan...to sell you a subscription ASAP and absolutely why they got 150mil $ bucks. None of this will be good for PinkBike.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (816) TheLoamDeranger (Jul 15, 2021 at 6:42)

@Svinyard: I hate California so much.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (817) brunoschull (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:26)

Goddamn it! This just happened with Climbing and Rock and Ice. They were bought/combined under the Outside umbrella...terrible! Much of the previously available free content is protected by a paywall, email boxes are flooded with new advertising, logging into your "Outside online" or Outside +" account presents a dizzying array of difficult to navigate options and suggestions...I'm out. I'm canceling my Outside online subscription. Not worth the hassle. As others have said, why the need to constantly grow, grow, grow? Obviously, it's not sustainable, nor does it produce quality. If individuals wanted to sell their product to make a profit, fair enough, but let's not pretend the change will lead to "an improved user experience." Pinkbike was fun when it was a bunch of scrappy folks doing what they love and having fun. Now...it will just be mainstream media content. The only positive side is wondering what small, creative outlet will take it's place.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (818) huffman88 (Jul 14, 2021 at 17:04)

As soon as I heard this I pictured Levy as Garth in that scene from Wayne's World. Covered from head to toe in Reebok gear saying "you know it's just really sad when people sell out to corporate sponsors"

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (819) Svinyard (Jul 15, 2021 at 13:08)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (820) huffman88 (Jul 15, 2021 at 21:37)

@Svinyard: exactly

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (821) BenTheSwabian (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:56)

"While our long term business model will evolve, a significant portion of our content will remain free"

RIP Pinkbike.
It's been a good run, even though for a long time it hasn't been the "pirate ship" from back in the day that RC described in the last podcast. Well, eventually all good things must come to an end I guess. Corporate commercialization - what a sad ending to the story of my favourite sports publication.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (822) owl-X FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:42) (Below Threshold)

These guys have been blatant payola hacks for a solid five years at least, it’s mind blowing to read anyone claiming PB is worth “saving.”

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (823) bravefart (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:11)

Pinkbike : going the way of five ten freeriders

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (824) ryetoast (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:39)

Brutal.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (825) chakaping FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 1:40)

What? Kept dirty and smelly in the back of my van?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (826) bravefart (Jul 15, 2021 at 14:04)

@chakaping: five ten were bought out by a corporate giant, and their quality and range were drastically downgraded

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (827) Brazinsteel (Jul 15, 2021 at 16:27)

@short-but-sweet: Couple years ago I bought some 5.10's and they seem to be high quality. I didn't know Adidas bought them out. Maybe I got some older pre buy out ones. Soon one giant world Corp to own us all.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (828) bravefart (Jul 15, 2021 at 17:04)

@Brazinsteel: yeah I think you have some OG ones. My 2016 freerider elements are barely hanging on, but have somehow held up. Reviews suggest the new adidas ones just don’t last

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (829) Brazinsteel (Jul 15, 2021 at 18:45)

@short-but-sweet: On the clipless side I still use my almost 30 year old Answer mtb shoes for gravel and road. They're just not worn out yet. The older sh*t just seems to last longer imo.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (830) bravefart (Jul 15, 2021 at 19:26)

@Brazinsteel: 30 years! Hats off!

I hear you- my shimano clipless shoes (one for summer, one pair for winter) show absolutely no signs of giving up. I bought those around 2006. I use these for gravel and road too, and only stopped using them for Mtb when I swapped back to flats in 2016

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (831) Brazinsteel (Jul 15, 2021 at 19:41)

@short-but-sweet: Flats rule. I kinda made my gravel bike into a mtb for a race that's half gravel and road and was just checking it out on some trails. I'm so used to Flats I couldn't release fast enough and I'm still picking scabs off my knee. Plus I'm getting older. Sheesh. Oops I meant sh*t.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (832) Trailslayer87 (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:26)

It don't really matter what any of you think or say, what's done is done. PB sold it's soul so it's originator can ride comfortably off into the sunset, while we get more corporate approved media shoved down our throats. The staff can spin it any way they want, but we all know how this goes. Outside will make you pay for any content that's worth a crap and PB will become the next MB Action. Of course the staff is happy ! Now they can get a reliable paycheck. Good for them of course, but bad for us, as yet another mostly " independent" form of media bites the dust.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (833) djbutcher13 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:16)

The only problem I see with this is that most people on this site stay Indoors. Do I have to actually go outdoors now and ride my bike?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (834) jmhills FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:02)

They get you both ways. They will buy Peloton next!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (835) ybsurf FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:20)

The beginning of the end

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (836) odbrider (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:46)

WOW..as you can see from the comments..."If it's not broke dont fix it"...Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (837)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (838) krka73 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:50)

Outside ruined Velonews. Goodbye Pinkbike, we'll miss you!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (839) ck1177 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:19)

Very disappointing. The team is "excited" because they have to be, but it will be the death of original "free" content. I hope this opens the door for sites like NSMB to continue to grow.
I have no interest in paying to read/watch advertising - It has been fun PB.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (840) sngltrkmnd (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:52)

Question: when will PB reissue the “I love seven inches in the rear” t-shirts?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (841) dihanventer (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:55)

hilarious, only time will tell

I think of the usual Mantra when an acquisition happens will apply here

"everything will remain the same" , "nothing is going to change" = We're going to change everything! and sqeeze very cent we can out of this thing!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (842) Svinyard (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:27)

Step One: create cool free content
Step Two: create community around free content and free content off of community
Step Three: Monetize via marketing/ad dollars
Step Four: At peak value, sell to venture capital group as a "Strategic Buy" while they ruin it

Its unfortunately how things grow and die. Sad thing will be when the PB staff gets cut due to declining subscribers and then gets "centralized" etc etc.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (843) froggeror (Jul 14, 2021 at 15:21)

STEP ONE: Core group of riders build trails with shovels, headlamps, and beers
STEP TWO: Availability of fun trails fosters vibrant riding community
STEP THREE: Local gov't sees tourism $ and gets grants to "develop" trails
STEP FOUR: Ebike sales and real estate prices skyrocket as trails are sanitized, graveled, and/or linked together with flow trail systems

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (844) dirtforbreakfast (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44)

Outside raised $150 million in venture capital in February and has been on a buying spree. The ‘next level’ don’t come cheap and brings with it loads of performance milestones from their VC partners. Not saying it’s good or bad, but that’s the game.

www.crunchbase.com/organization/pocket-outdoor-media/company_financials

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (845) coregon (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10)

If the paywall descends, I'll be headed elsewhere (Vital and NSMB) more frequently. With that said, it will be interesting watching the red pill / blue pill moment for the PB team. Guessing Vernon Felton's LinkedIn page will see a lot more traffic in the coming months?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (846) Bondseye007 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:19)

Wednesday takeover

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (847) fjallman82 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:29)

Yay for monopolies!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (848) jaame (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:29)

@Radek I hope you got paaaaiiiid. Good on you!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (849) krka73 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:54)

I hope he got paid too. But RIP Pinkbike. It's over Johnny....

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (850) theoskar57 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:51)

@krka73: it's been beautiful 15 years on this platform, all good things must come to an end

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (851) suspended-flesh FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:28)

Agred - Radek totlally deserves to do and get what he wants. Good for him! He is the Rob Roskopp of the Schittpost universe.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (852) Bmxanddie (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:40)

I think we all know what this means by now. Time to start a new site...redbike.com?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (853) bman33 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:59)

Purplebike....keeps the vibe Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (854)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (855) Bmxanddie (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:13)

@bman33: Makes sense

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (856) mi-bike (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:35)

@bman33: pinkvelo

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (857) Stihlgoin (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:21)

WAKIbike.com

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (858) Stihlgoin (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:22)

I just wanted some final downvotes

#ridemoretrollless

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (859) Rossonero89 (Jul 14, 2021 at 21:42)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (860) Stihlgoin (Jul 15, 2021 at 3:56)

@Rossonero89:
WAKIbike.com: All opinion pieces. Barely moderated, with a comment section fantasy league.

Award for most upvotes at the end of a year, -Pinkbike subscription and a signed picture of Levy’s feet.

Award for most downvotes, -Outside magazine print subscription and a signed picture of Levy’s feet without airbrushing.

Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (861) T4THH (Jul 15, 2021 at 4:25)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (862) mikelevy Mod (Jul 15, 2021 at 8:45)

@Stihlgoin: If anyone wants a signed picture of my feet, just let me know....?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (863) thedirtyburritto (Jul 15, 2021 at 8:49)

@mikelevy: Will it come free with my 49.99 USD per year paid subscription?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (864) mikelevy Mod (Jul 15, 2021 at 9:11)

@thedirtyburritto: No, it'll be an extra $50 sent to my OnlyFans account. Or a $50 Tim Hortons gift card. Your call.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (865) Stihlgoin (Jul 15, 2021 at 20:08)

@mikelevy: I think it’s best kept a rarity. More collectible in the future.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (866) kobold (Jul 18, 2021 at 9:20)

@mikelevy: I would def pay 50$ for this. PM me. No hom*o

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (867) nvmoondog (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:52)

just like we were told vail would make whistler better!! Talk to almost anyone on this side of the border and they will not agree. American corporate values and the pinkbike that we know and love will not mesh. r.i.p. pinkbike it was great while it lasted.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (868) weaverlandbikepark360 (Jul 15, 2021 at 15:12)

I'm American and I agree

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (869) mtnbikeoc (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:01)

Did anyone else get a random email from Outside within the past week or two?
Bye Bye PB. It was good while it lasted. I'm not sticking around for watered down nonsense. So many other magazines have turned this way and for the worst. no thanks.
NSMB, Vital, etc. Here we come.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (870) karl-burkat FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:09) (Below Threshold)

Content ain't changing, the entire Pinkbike team is still running the show.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (871) OlSkoolJake (Jul 14, 2021 at 11:58)

@karl-burkat: you owe us more then a one lined response buried deep in the comments section... You've gone back on your word. You stand on our shoulders. Us the free PB user. We built what you have. You only provided the web space. We the community built this page. You owe us all more explanation.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (872) PauRexs FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:59)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (873) Hermux FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:02)

This article reads like Pinkbike writing its own obituary.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (874) mccarthyp (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:05)

To be honest, Pinkbike has been in decline for last few years. It was very visible that they were pumping out material at an increased rate and I just assumed it was to generate more clicks and increase and revenue. When user generated content and blatantly puff piece articles are ignored the content is modest enough. What really made Pinkbike good was the comments sections but due to a mixture of politics, Covid and generally irrational behaviour by some commentators, the comment section is often more disappointing than entertaining or informative. I have personally stared reading enduro Mtb and vitalmtb recently and find them to be better. I have tried to stay away from PB as it generally disappoints me now, so thanks Outside for helping me make a clean break. I wish everyone at PB all the best for the future, I realise my views are entirely my own and you may well have achieved your goal so well done to you. Goodbye and good luck.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (875) zombiejack33 (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:41)

Thanks for the great years past pinkbike! Have fun trying to nickel and dime everyone with subscriptions!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (876) Ricolaburle FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:51)

Maybe we all readers can buy Pinkbike back ? 10 bucks each, not to mention all the dentists who can contribute !

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (877) zstover (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:30)

Pinkbike and beta gonna be posting the same word for word articles now instead of just saying the same stuff about bikes in their own words. Goodbye semi-independent thought. Now you must perform for the corporate overlords that value ad revenue more than critical thought.

Media and marketing is all fake AF anyway. The goal is to manipulate the masses to buy the product, good or not. If it has flaws, the goal is to turn those around somehow into strengths. All review articles have always been ads. If you get a trip to a press camp, that's receiving a gift to say nice things about the gear/bike, or you might not get an invite back to the next press camp. Receiving test bikes is the same thing. You get the privilege of riding their top spec test bike in exchange for not saying bad things. Theoretically, it's less biased, but if you don't say enough positives, they'll lose sales, and you'll lose ad revenue from them, and you might not be first in line to receive the next shiny new bike to do a launch day review, which will lose you page views and in turn more as revenue as your page traffic drops.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (878) initforthedonuts FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:25)

Where were the “spotted” and “leaked” shots on this? Nobody saw Outside left in a parking lot in Vancouver or Squamish? Nobody snapped a quick pic of Outside in line at Whistler?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (879) bobsl (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:31)

Remember when Warren Miller Entertainment sued Warren Miller the man himself? Congrats on aligning yourself with that corporate moral compass...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (880) WFO59 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44)

The day the music died...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (881) tommyriddle FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:57)

f*cking Sellouts.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (882) AndrewMak (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:51)

Guess I'll be breaking out my f-Outside magazine bumper sticker the doods at Rome snowboards made when one of Outside magazine writer's trashed snowboarding...I get business models need to change but this is all just a roundabout way of saying we would like to make more money. Which is fine, capitalism is just grand but the community will probably suffer from the cash.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (883) rraeke (Jul 14, 2021 at 13:15)

Adios. I'm expecting this to devolve into content about "10 Heli-Biking Trips To Do This Year!; "The Best Bikes Under $15,000!" and more stuff well "outside" my budget.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (884) gabriel-mission9 (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:19)

Pinkbike’s content and services have long been paid for with an advertising model, while our new parent company offers some features of their titles in a subscription called Outside+.

Subscribers get digital access to members-only content, exclusive shows, hundreds of virtual health, fitness, cooking, and outdoor classes, free books, personalized, ad-free experiences at Outside Online, a subscription to Gaia GPS, training plans, and discounts on everything from gear to race-entry fees to event photography.

Three words:

f*ck

That

sh*t

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (885) jmmpepe (Jul 14, 2021 at 20:25)

Really a shame. Outside is horrible. The bought some photo's from me a while back and it took a year to get paid. I also know several photographers who've worked for them and had a hard time getting paid as well. It will certainly ruin your grass root feel since they're so corporate and snooty! Sucks. Time to move on.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (886) tlchlct (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:23)

how long until they get rid of the comment section entirely?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (887) brianpark FL Editor (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:29) (Below Threshold)

The comments section isn't going anywhere. Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (888)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (889) savagelake (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:59)

it's already gone. this comment actually does not exist.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (890) MRO1 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:11)

@brianpark: "..isnt going anywhere...." but will be locked behind a paywall so will die a slow and lonely death. Thanks for the reassurance

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (891) gossman (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:29)

@brianpark: We better hope the folks at Outside have skin as thick as the PB staff...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (892) theoskar57 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:48)

it will be there, just it will not allow you to post when you say something "controversial", IE it will be like Instagram where people need to say "r4cism" or "su1c1de" to not get flagged, oh and it will be probably behind a paywall

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (893) brappjuice (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:37)

@brianpark: yet...until its potential monetization value gets dropped into a slide deck for the VPs who now call the shots. You've handed over the keys to the castle- it isn't you fault- but Radek is obviously 100% checked out at this point.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (894) skimtb1 FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:45)

@brianpark:

LOL it might be given the popularity of this announcement

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (895) novajustin (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:49)

@brianpark: oh the optimism, never lose that! the CEO's at outside probably never actually go outside unless it's from their private car to their private jet. they will monetize everything they possibly can.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (896) roygold (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:09)

read a few outside mag reviews, they always seemed like they were more about life style then about mountain bikes.
recently watched a few bike reviews from the "beta test" - sorry for dissing but they looked like a bunch of middle aged men wanking about mtb - (I have my friends and myself for that Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (897)
Pinkbike has or had a different flavor! hope some of it would out last the new ownership

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (898) aHev (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:24)

FWIW I think pinkbike is foolish to lean into a publishing based model, rather than treat the site like a tech business. Would have been cooler to see Strava purchased pinkbike to expand Trail Forks and the social network side. Pinkbike always struck me as a successful example of a niche social network moreso than a mountain bike mag.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (899) novancrider7 (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:30)

Oh, god. Queue the endless truck ads. And a drift in subject matter. I remember when Outside actually wrote about the outside. Pretty soon pinkbike won't write about mtn biking. Yeesh.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (900) Adamrideshisbike (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:27)

Endless truck ads while they beat you over the head about global warming.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (901) archibaldbarisol (Jul 15, 2021 at 20:52)

@Adamrideshisbike: They're not wrong. There won't be much of an outside with climate change. Well...there will be but you won't want to be there as it will be underwater or on fire (or both).

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (902) Cmolway (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:53)

I used to read Velo News for road cycling race updates and other road-related content. After being aquired by Outside every article worth reading at Velo News is now behind a paywall. I haven't read an article there since. I really hope that PinkBike does not go down this path.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (903) DeoreDX (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44)

Outside is in the business of making money not friends. They have plan on how they can monetize pinkbike to recoup their investment. We are all now numbers and statistics for their investment portfolio.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (904) archibaldbarisol (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:52)

I love being an unpaid data worker for someone else's investment portfolio.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (905) mikelevy Mod (Jul 15, 2021 at 15:11) (Below Threshold)

Every business is in the business of making money. Hope you stick around long enough to realize that this will always be Pinkbike, no matter who owns it or what changes Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (906)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (907) privateer-wheels (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:26)

Interesting move. Listening to the Pt. 2 interview with RC, and commentary around how Pinkbike really is a product of, and kind of owned so to speak, by the community. That is the reason PB has the appeal it does. Let's hope Outdoors doesn't change that. Something tells me that's wishful thinking, but I will try not to make assumptions and ride out the wave. Hopefully they recognize the value in the current format and leverage that to their advantage, instead of crippling the experience for the community... or destroying the community all together.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (908) snokarver (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:16)

It could be worse, they could have been bought by Vail.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (909) EricHarger (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:49)

True on so many levels.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (910) 5chmaus FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:20)

Wow didn't expect this. So do I get trailforks free now since I already pay for Gaia premium?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (911) TheBearDen FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:38)

Aaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa.Sorry let me catch my breath aaaahhaha....aahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (912) nrloewen (Jul 14, 2021 at 6:54)

Good question. Now figuring out what Gaia is…

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (913) Peally (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:11)

@nrloewen: Popular outdoor GPS navigation software.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (914) fabwizard FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:13)

Sorry guys I'm an old cheap bastard. As soon as I have to pay I'm gone..

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (915) philneuve (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:27)

Why didn't pinkbike buy Outside Magazine????

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (916) advcyclist (Jul 14, 2021 at 7:47)

Damnit... this has the exact same effect as when one of my favorite craft breweries gets bought out by some piss beer conglomerate like AB-Inbev! Stoke has been quelled... so much for the independents... first it was Dirt Rag, now PinkBike... Ugh!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (917) ss3ltl (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:12)

Apparently, Bike Mag got bought by Outside last year as well. They did the Bike Bible reviews. They are now a pay to view subscription...

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (918) EricHarger (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:35)

Watching Dirt Rag slowly wither and die was sad, but they stayed true to their ethos until the bitter end.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (919) pisgahgnar FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:05)

It's going to be like the explosion of Reddit when Digg sold out. Vital MTB forums here we come!

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (920) T4THH (Jul 15, 2021 at 1:11)

PSA: there is a thread on vital for us, come and introduce yourself Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (921)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (922) darkcanuck (Jul 15, 2021 at 19:57)

This feels exactly like Digg & Reddit circa 2007??? in so many ways.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (923) darkcanuck (Jul 15, 2021 at 20:01)

Maybe more like 2010-2012ish.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (924) pisgahgnar FL (Jul 16, 2021 at 4:13)

@darkcanuck: yeah it was 2010. The launch of Digg v4

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (925) AnodizeErrthing (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:14)

RootsRated started this crap and now PinkBike is jumping in with Trailforks. These companies that profit off of knowledge from the community about public resources need to pay large amounts towards the public resources they exploit, or be broken apart. They are ruining our resources, are massively irresponsible, and mine a community for private gain. For a long time, the outdoor industry and specifically mountain biking was a bastion of cottage industry and small business. This is disappointing.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (926) Kolikjun (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:28)

I have tried the Outside subscription during lockdown and haven’t prolonged it. There is hardly any valuable content in that magazine, really nothing to read. Not willing to support them in any way. Bummer, now they have taken over Pinkbike:/

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (927) Highlander406 (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:36)

Welcome to the pay wall.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (928) mikelevy Mod (Jul 15, 2021 at 12:27) (Below Threshold)

Where is it?

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (929) skimtb1 FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 16:07)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (930) mikelevy Mod (Jul 15, 2021 at 16:18)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (931) skimtb1 FL (Jul 15, 2021 at 17:56)

@mikelevy:

You meant this link right?

m.pinkbike.com/photo/20960692

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (932) Thegnarberries (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44)

MUST WATCH: New sem*nuk edit! *clicks on link and is plagued by "This video is only viewable with a paid membership" Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (933)

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (934) RonniePivot FL (Jul 14, 2021 at 8:45)

I read, and enjoyed Outside Magazine for many years, starting in the '90s. But I finally got fed up with the commercialization and the tone of some of the articles and canceled my subscription after more than 20 years of being a subscriber. Not too excited about this development at all but will delay final judgement until I see how it plays out. PB, I have really enjoyed you so I'll take a watch and see attitude but we might be breaking up....

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (935) g-42 (Jul 14, 2021 at 14:12)

I used to enjoy Outside back in the day - they still published actual long-form journalism then, and they were more than just a loose collection of lifestyle posturing and ads. But that sort of journalism is pretty hard to do these days. As much as I loathe Outside Mag (both the print and online channels) these days, in fairness, this new entity just acquired Outside very recently. They instantly renamed/rebranded the whole enterprise as "Outside" when they did, because hey, that's a long-standing brand and a nice evocative name. But that means the magazine isn't driving this venture, and the folks in charge of overall direction are not the people who made Outside Mag into the rather sorry shell of its former self that it is today.

I'm cautiously optimistic because of Beta - that was a brand new launch, and the team from the former Bike were given a platform to produce a pretty nice looking product. Yep, paywalls are a bit of a bummer, but if the writing and photography are worth it, I'd gladly pay a reasonable amount (full disclosure - we've got a Freehub subscription).

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (936) dfbland (Jul 14, 2021 at 9:52)

Another Canadian business scooped up... The poor Buy & Sell will never be as good (my bike builds will be harder to achieve), and trailforks won't get any new trails (but that started with the subscription).

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (937) canadaka FL Mod (Jul 14, 2021 at 10:26) (Below Threshold)

Actually, since Trailforks Pro subscription started the amount of new trails being added each of the following 5 months was the most trails added ever, increasing each month.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (938) dfbland (Jul 14, 2021 at 12:22)

@canadaka: well!!... That proves me wrong in a hurry! You guys going to be ok under new management?
I hope they just leave the platform alone and give you guys raises and free-range to do whatever you want to do.

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Letter from the Editor: Pinkbike’s Next Chapter with Outside - Pinkbike (939) raian-laiks-tu-go-flaian (Jul 14, 2021 at 16:36)

@dfbland: it may be that trails were added, but the question still remains whether those trails are legal/mtb worthy. I've seen various fireroads get uploaded as singletrack just so someone doesnt have to pay 17 bucks a year for TF. IMO, it's kind of disingenuous to say the most trails were added over a given period when there's a new incentive to upload to avoid paying for it.

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